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Job was there,we just don't remember that time.........
Of all the things He could have asked or pointed out to Job, why in the world would God have asked him this particular set of rhetorical questions if he had actually been there at the time (whether he remembered it or not) ..
"Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell me, if you know so much. Who determined its dimensions and stretched out the surveying line? What supports its foundations, and who laid its cornerstone as the morning stars sang together and all the angels shouted for joy?" Job 38:4-7
Please don't take this the wrong way, but where was Christ before He was born of woman?
I'm not sure what you mean by "take this the wrong way" as it is a legitimate question. Where was God the Son prior to His incarnation? I don't know, I wasn't there, but if I had to guess, I'd say "everywhere" (seeing that He is omnipresent).
We also know that He presented Himself locally at times, as a bush, as a pillar of fire, etc. I think He even wrote something on a pair of stone tablets once (or was that twice .. ). Anyway, He definitely got around.
Look (jumping up onto my "soapbox" now), I know you think you've discovered something that the church and all of her myriad of scholars have missed for over 2,000 years, but I have to tell you, you need to think this through again with just the Bible in hand (IOW, w/o trying to accommodate all the presuppositions you're bringing to the table).
It has been proven to me that even an atheist, if he is skilled enough to do a proper exegesis of the Biblical text, can understand what the Lord was trying to convey (he just can't make the sense out of it 'spiritually' that a Christian can because he doesn't have the HS). I also know a Jewish rabbi who did his doctrinal thesis on the Gospel of John. He knows that Gospel and understands what it says as well as any Christian theologian I've ever known due to the highly detailed study and exegesis he did of and on the Text, but as he told me bluntly, he just doesn't believe what it says is true. Again, a 'spiritual' problem exists for him as well.
You, unlike the atheist and the rabbi, are a Christian and, therefore, have the mind of Christ like the rest of us. But the eisegesis you're engaging in here is only going to lead you away from the truth, not closer to it. Of course, you're always welcome to 'take on the church' and what it believes. St. Athanasius did so necessarily and successfully. But he had what you do not, a sound exegesis that clearly showed the church where it had erred.
Admonishment complete. I'm stepping of my soapbox. Now I hope that you haven't taken what I've said the wrong way ..
Yours and His,
David
"No one has seen the Father except the One who is from God.
Only He has seen the Father."
John 6:46
Only He has seen the Father."
John 6:46
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