Been told

[from scratch]

seems like. the more i explain, the more, the more you get lost!

go figure!

This really helps me understand. I asked for you to say it in a different way and all I get is this your wrong statement. What you're really communicating is that we don't agree. I already know that. I don't know perhaps you should consider what your saying and how your communicating. It isn't very effective.

 

[Frogster]

answer one of my questions.

Isaiah 2:3 ( NKJV ) 3 Many people shall come and say,

“Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,

To the house of the God of Jacob;

He will teach us His ways,

And we shall walk in His paths.”

For out of Zion shall go forth the law,

And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.



what law will go forth from Zion?

that has been debunked, lets not get into OT often misunderstood prophecy.

Is that the best u got?

Oh,,so God is going to want animal sacrifes again? Come on...

 

[JohnRabbit]

yea right..ok, watch, here is an swer, if I were asked, I wouls say...

"I would do fine, because the Spirit washed me by faith, like peter said in Acts 15, and the same Spirit , that in experienced in Gal 3, is the same power that sustains me now. I didn't get the Spirit by works, but by faith. I didn't know squat about the law, when i got saved, I did not need it, because paul told me I am in Christ now, but it wasn't until law people came, and started telling me to follow law, that the commandment revived sin, then I came into bondage, and lost connection with Christ, as per gal 5."

There ya go..

thanks frogster,

go ahead and joke. ha, ha.

it's ok, because God gives me comfort!



Isaiah 51:7 ( NKJV ) 7 “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness,

You people in whose heart is My law:

Do not fear the reproach of men,

Nor be afraid of their insults.

 

[Frogster]

do you understand what Jesus was pointing out?

Does law stop it? Nice try, oh ye semantic one.

 

[Frogster]

thanks frogster,

go ahead and joke. ha, ha.

it's ok, because God gives me comfort!



Isaiah 51:7 ( NKJV ) 7 “Listen to Me, you who know righteousness,

You people in whose heart is My law:

Do not fear the reproach of men,

Nor be afraid of their insults.

why couldn't you do that? Was it unscriptural, what I said?

 

[JohnRabbit]

This really helps me understand. I asked for you to say it in a different way and all I get is this yor wrong statement. What you're really communicating is that we don't agree. I already know that. I don't know perhaps you should consider what your saying and how your communicating. It isn't very effective.

well, i wish i was as good as you, at communicating, but it seems i'm not!

 

[JohnRabbit]

why couldn't you do that? Was it unscriptural, what I said?

i don't know what to do now.

if i answer, i lose.

if i don't answer, i lose.

this 'wabbit' is scared!

 

[from scratch]

dude,

i have a verse cited, with an explanation of the verse inserted in the verse with verses backing up the explanation and you don't understand?

i hate it for you.

besides, i thought you said that you could state my case for me, so this should have been a cinch!

So is your real goal that I should say I agree and you're truly a great mind? Or can you take a clue that I don't understand and try to explain in some other way? Would such cause you to think that I understand?

Yes I can state your case and better than you can. Am I going to do that? What do you take me for? Rhetorical question that I won't answer.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Does law stop it? Nice try, oh ye semantic one.

how can the law stop you from sinning, when it is there for a guideline?

 

[Frogster]

you felt that you had to post this?

interesting.

well it is true..we are not under it, bound by it, we have been released from it, died to it...

In fact, the 10, were temporary.

Lookie here, not permanent. Writen in stone, was the context.

11 For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory.

 

[JohnRabbit]

So is your real goal that I should say I agree and you're truly a great mind? Or can you take a clue that I don't understand and try to explain in some other way? Would such cause you to think that I understand?

Yes I can state your case and better than you can. Am I going to do that? What do you take me for? Rhetorical question that I won't answer.

ok man, let's cut through it.

state my case for me.

 

[Frogster]

how can the law stop you from sinning, when it is there for a guideline?

Then why did Paul use the Spirit, and not want the gudline for his churches, like in 1 Tim 1? WHAT IS THE KEYWORD, LAW OR SPIRIT?

Galatians 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


Galatians 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?



Galatians 3:5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, [does He do it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? --



Galatians 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"



Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.


Galatians 5:16 . I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.



Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,


Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

 

[from scratch]

i answered your question.

why can't you say "i don't like your answer" or "you are wrong", rather than write this diatribe?

I answer for me and not Frogster. Your above responses only leave one in the dark and serve no purpose except aggravation. They make no valid point and are reportable under the rules of the forum in my opinion especially if one doesn't provide a direct alternative related to and using enough of the material in the post responded to that one can see what is wrong. Those statements hold no valid argument with any subject. If you made such a statement in a live debate in front of a live audience you would be laughed out of the house and be taken for an idiot.

 

[Frogster]

ok man, let's cut through it.

state my case for me.

I will..I will....

you have a law consciousness, not a spirit consciousness, hence, out of the mouth, the heart speaketh. No offense, but you talk about the law, so that is your life.

It says, Christ in us, the hope of glory, not the law as the hope of glory...

 

[Frogster]

I answer for me and not Frogster. Your above responses only leave one in the dark and serve no purpose except aggravation. They make no valid point and are reportable under the rules of the forum in my opinion especially if one doesn't provide a direct alternative related to and using enough of the material in the post responded to that one can see what is wrong. Those statements hold no valid argument with any subject. If you made such a statement in a live debate in front of a live audience you would be laughed out of the house and be taken for an idiot.

yes! in a live debate, the debater would feel the pressure, of the audience, and here the giggles, after spin, which would add integrity to the debate.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Then why did Paul use the Spirit, and not want the gudline for his churches, like in 1 Tim 1? WHAT IS THE KEYWORD, LAW OR SPIRIT?

Galatians 3:2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?


Galatians 3:3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?



Galatians 3:5 Therefore He who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you, [does He do it] by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? --



Galatians 3:14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.


Galatians 4:6 And because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into your hearts, crying out, "Abba, Father!"



Galatians 5:5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.


Galatians 5:16 . I say then: Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh.



Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.


Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,


Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.


Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.

thanks for reading the bible for us froster.

 

[JohnRabbit]

yes! in a live debate, the debater would feel the pressure, of the audience, and here the gigles, after spin, which would add integrity to the debate.

so how do you feel?

 

[from scratch]

in connection with salvation, what do you think "under the law" means?

You obviously have missed a very improtant qualifying word with the phrase under the law. The word is not.Gal 5:3, 4 clearly states you can't have both.

you do realize that "under the law" has varying meanings, depending on it's connotation within the text?

What should I say? So why don't you provide some other meaning and give some examples?

 

[JohnRabbit]

I will..I will....

you have a law consciousness, not a spirit consciousness, hence, out of the mouth, the heart speaketh. No offense, but you talk about the law, so that is your life.

It says, Christ in us, the hope of glory, not the law as the hope of glory...

i talk about law because that is the subject.

 

[JohnRabbit]

You obviously have missed a very improtant qualifying word with the phrase under the law. The word is not.Gal 5:3, 4 clearly states you can't have both.What should I say? So why don't you provide some other meaning and give some examples?

explain this verse to me.

Galatians 5:18 ( NKJV ) 18But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.