Baptists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Methodists HELP ME

[SuperBunny]

(I posted this in "soteriology" too but it applies to both forum subjects and it is investigative content not debate matter also, so I don't expect it to be removed)


Baptists...once saved always saved (with exception of independent freewill ones); pre-trib rapture; cessation of gifts without any tolerance of any other view; men are seen as dominant in marriage

Presbyterian...same as above only they are more low-key

Lutheran...once saved not always saved, post-trib..revelation not literal though, gifts have ceased or not?; men are seen as more equal to women in marriage

Methodist...once saved not always saved; post-trib?; gifts have ceased but free to believe in them if don't cause disruption in church; men and women are seen as equal in marriage

Would you say this is accurate of each denomination in a few areas? Why or why not? What is your experience?

 

[FreeinChrist]

(I posted this in "soteriology" too but it applies to both forum subjects and it is investigative content not debate matter also, so I don't expect it to be removed)


Baptists...once saved always saved (with exception of independent freewill ones); pre-trib rapture; cessation of gifts without any tolerance of any other view; men are seen as dominant in marriage

Far too general a statement. Many are pretrib and many are not. Many are OSAS, some are not. And one thing that distinquishes Baptists are baptism by immersion after confession of faith (no infant baptism) and the priesthood of all believers.

 

[countrymousenc]

Methodist...once saved not always saved; post-trib?; gifts have ceased but free to believe in them if don't cause disruption in church; men and women are seen as equal in marriage

Not exactly. More like, "been saved, being saved, and will be saved." While Methodists do believe that it is possible to forever fall from grace after believing, they don't believe that it happens very often. Methodists are also firmly non-cessationist, but you won't hear speaking in tongues in the non-Pentecostal churches of Wesleyan heritage. Among United Methodists, men and women are seen as equal, period. I can't speak for other Methodist/Wesleyan denominations.

 

[puriteen18]

Baptists...once saved always saved (with exception of independent freewill ones); pre-trib rapture; cessation of gifts without any tolerance of any other view; men are seen as dominant in marriage

If I may...

You can't really sum up Baptists like that; there are too many unfortunatley.

Many Baptists are Calvinists and Amillenial (which would include the majority of them historically), or Charismatic, or Liberal and don't really care if men or women run things.

Can't be done because so many take 'Baptist' as a name simply becaus ethey deny infant baptism.

 

[JVAC]

Lutheran...once saved not always saved, post-trib..revelation not literal though, gifts have ceased or not?; men are seen as more equal to women in marriage

I don't think Lutherans ever think of there being a moment of salvation. Salvation is a life long process and cannot be, and will not be accomplished by man.

You'll have to define post trib, however, Lutheran teaching doesn't conform to the 'popular' eschatology of today.

Gifts? like from the Holy Spirit? Lutherans believe that the Holy Spirit is greatly active in the Church. It will be here till the last day, "and surely I am with you ALWAYS."

Women and Men, it depends on the Synod, ELCA yes; LCMS so-so; WELS HA!

-James

 

[TwinCrier]

Baptists...once saved always saved (with exception of independent freewill ones); pre-trib rapture; cessation of gifts without any tolerance of any other view; men are seen as dominant in marriage

It's not cessation of gifts, but we reject the idea that all people must have all gifts all the time or show off these gifts as proof of salvation.
Let's see, hubby HAS to support the entire family and I get to stay home and take the kids to the zoo. Who is dominant? He gives honor to me as the weaker vessel and I honor him as the head of the household. Sounds like a fair arrangement, and a biblical one at that!

 

[Andyman_1970]

Baptists...once saved always saved (with exception of independent freewill ones); pre-trib rapture; cessation of gifts without any tolerance of any other view; men are seen as dominant in marriage

I am a member of a Southern Baptist church (FWIW, I don't consider myself a "Baptist" I am a Christian, Southern Baptist seem close to my own personal beliefs).

I would not say cessation of gifts (although my pastor might say otherwise), I personally believe they have not, but I do not believe "tongues" are required to "prove" salvation.

Dominate is probably not the best choice of words. My wife and I a "equals" in our marriage, but I am called (and am) the Spiritual leader of the family.

Did that clear anything up???

 

[reformedfan]

I am a Presbyterian, and I don't believe the rapture is a Biblical doctrine.
I am also far from being low key about any of the above topics, read some of my prior posts & see
What are you trying to do with this post? What is your point?

 

[Lotar]

I don't think Lutherans ever think of there being a moment of salvation. Salvation is a life long process and cannot be, and will not be accomplished by man.

Where did you hear this?

Salvation is not a process. We are justified immediately at them moment that Christ's righteousness is imputed into us.

Perhaps you are thinking of sanctification.

 

[JVAC]

Where did you hear this?

Salvation is not a process. We are justified immediately at them moment that Christ's righteousness is imputed into us.

Perhaps you are thinking of sanctification.

I was trying to say that we cannot point to a specific point in time which the righteousness of Jesus was imputed to us. So therefore it is impossible for us to know when we are saved. We can trust and hope but we can't know and it is not for us to know.

The second part of the post I think probably would sound better under 'sanctification'. Yet we are always working out our salvation with fear and trembling because we don't know. Maybe I am chasing my own tale, does this make sense?

-James

 

[Lotar]

Faith and the imputation of Christ's righteousness go hand in hand; if you have faith, you have His grace, if you don't, you do not. A Christian can and should be sure of their salvation.

WWLS :

People either despise and hate the Word and promises of God in carnal security or, when they do hear them, say that they doubt and do not know whether God is so merciful, whether He favorably hears and cares for those who call upon Him, especially the unworthy and poor sinners.
But when a heart is in such doubt, it may very quickly be driven even to blasphemy and despair. This is why Paul so frequently exhorts us to have full assurance, that is, a firm and immovable recognition of the divine will toward us, which strengthens our consciences and steels them against doubt and unbelief. In view of this the teaching of the pope is the more detestable, because he not only pays scant attention to certianty of salvation but even godlessly establishes doubt. That is, he plainly calls God a liar, although He promises, swears, and pledges His majesty to insure our salvation and curses Himself if it be not so.

 

[theseed]

Historically, Baptist are post-millenialist(spell?)

 

[Tappanga]

Baptists...once saved always saved (with exception of independent freewill ones); pre-trib rapture; cessation of gifts without any tolerance of any other view; men are seen as dominant in marriage

Baptists (Southern Baptist here) do believe once saved always saved, but we do believe you can fall away from your Christian life and you should rededicate your life to Christ. I've heard differing points in the Baptist church about salvation. One preacher said being saved was not enough, you had to also "Walk the walk", so to speak.

Also, men are dominant. They make all major decisions. They do not rule alone, but do discuss with the wife, but the final vote is the husbands. The wife is the support of the house, and is not to be seen as unworthy (the way it must sound when you first hear it) and she is to be loved and treasured by her husband above all earthly people.