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Guys, please simmer down and take a step back. This is the sort of behaviour that splits the church of Christ. Everyone insist on being right and discards what the other said. We have to remember that apart from the Lord, no one holds the truth.
My original plight has long been lost beneath an argument about tradition and interpretation and by now it seems it is more about being right and seeking the truth.
So please, do not let pride get the better of you. Be loving and stop arguing among yourselves. Take a break and come back with a renewed mind.
While I wanted to discuss this issue, but had I known that it leads to arguments such as these, I probably wouldn’t have. The unity of the body of Christ and peaceful conduct among brethren is more significant to me than whatever I wanted to know.
In short, chill out
The difference with the ones faithful to Yahweh , abiding in Jesus,No there wasn't always unity, but how did they solve that?
Amen.The main problem over the earth is the false gospel that claims people don't have to repent.
That they don't have to turn to God and do what God says to do.
That they should just be left to live as they want to live, and don't try to change them.
That everyone should just join together and forget differences, and 'be' 'one' in what the world calls 'good', and what God calls an abomination and death.
Because some Christians believe that there are people blessed with the gift of spiritual analysis and theological understanding that the rest of us could only dream of. Not only that but the apostles themselves didn't trust each other's "private interpretation" of scripture- which is why they held the first church council to decide the matter of circumcision. We are all corrupted to some degree. That means our personal way of thinking has corruption- therefore our way of reading the Bible can be corrupted. We should not rely on ANY individual to interpret scripture, as that is exactly what the pope does when he invokes infallibility. Instead we should submit to the Church Councils as that is what the apostles established as the proper method for deciding doctrine.
This is true , especially know His Word as Yahweh grants understanding of all,we all need to know it well so that no mortal confuses us.
However, again, they didn't do that all the time, not by any means. Again, they often acted independently and got instructions and direction directly from the Almighty.No there wasn't always unity, but how did they solve that? They held a Church council and collectively decided what would be the proper teaching- and they tell us that the Holy Spirit influenced them as a group.
Then they collectively submitted to the decision and the Church remained one.
No there wasn't always unity, but how did they solve that? They held a Church council and collectively decided what would be the proper teaching- and they tell us that the Holy Spirit influenced them as a group.
Then they collectively submitted to the decision and the Church remained one.
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Having finally overcome my reservations about church communities, I found my desire to be baptized. This usually includes a few weeks of studying things about bible and church, which I do not understand, but it isn't bothering me. What bothers me is that they practice baptism without immersion, something I just found out. I am not sure how I feel. Maybe it is because most things I know I learned from Baptists or because the word 'baptizo' means 'immerse' or because the bible only ever mentions places with sufficient water as places of baptism, either way, it bothers me and I am not sure how to react. I feel bad going to them and suddenly call it off, but I am not sure how to feel about baptism without immersion. I know that it isn't technically in the bible, but it is what I was looking forward to and what I imagined.
Any thoughts on how to handle it?
Having finally overcome my reservations about church communities, I found my desire to be baptized. This usually includes a few weeks of studying things about bible and church, which I do not understand, but it isn't bothering me. What bothers me is that they practice baptism without immersion, something I just found out. I am not sure how I feel.
To be frank, I have very little experience with all the different denominations, as I am against the whole concept. It fractures the body of Christ and breeds elitism, contempt and conflict.
And trying to be a Christian all on your lonesome doesn't "fracture the body of Christ and breed elitism, contempt and conflict"?
I do not crave isolation. I visit whatever church welcomes me. All I am trying to say is that denomination is not very high up on my list when it comes choosing a church.
Well, you say that, but when it comes to something specific, like being baptised, you seem to have a denominational mindset (a Baptist one, to be exact).
I'm struggling to understand your position here. If you like Baptist theology, join a Baptist church. If you like Lutheran/Reformed theology, join an EKD church. If you like Catholic theology, join a Catholic church. If you like SDA theology, join an SDA church. If you like Pentecostal theology, join a Pentecostal church. Those all seem to be feasible options in Germany. But don't join one and complain that you really wanted to be in another.
Did you actually read the thread? The last thing I do is complaining about a church not having it my way.
And for the last time, I am not joining any church. Where do you people get the idea? I am just getting baptised.
Besides, if you read the thread, you'd know that I am moving away from Germany very soon, so no local church will matter at that point.
I would express my concerns with the leaders of the church. A healthy church welcomes the concerns of its congregation.
Indeed. To me, baptism is symbolic. I see it as the wedding ring when marrying. I was also baptized as an infant, though not because my parents were believers, but because that's what everyone did. It was russian orthodox. However, it means little to me. I want to get baptized in the name of Christ by my own choice and out of love for God and Christ.
Why would I want to do multiple baptisms though? One seems enough, though I wouldn't say no to a river baptism, just because its awesome
I was also baptized as an infant, though not because my parents were believers, but because that's what everyone did. It was russian orthodox.
This is making a denomination to be "God." We are to follow the Word, not the ever varying and contradictory ways of men and their man made, too often confused and/or self serving, ways.Short answer is that you should join a church, and be baptised the way that they baptise.
You have choices. You can not go to a Church that preaches and practices what is not in the Bible. Or, if you feel you just have to go to a certain Church, then you can find someone who is a sincere, Baptized by immersion, individual and let that person baptize you. The only qualificaitons, in the Bible, for a baptizer was that they be a sincere believer.Well, you can't really rock up to a Catholic church and demand a Baptist-style baptism, just as you can't rock up to a Baptist church and demand the Latin mass.
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