Baptism without immersion, should I go ahead?

[frater_domus]

The fact that he was baptized and went on his way rejoicing is sufficient evidence. Fortunately he did not face a phony investigation into this matter.

This is precisely what bothers me. Not so much the affusion vs immersion thing, but rather the choice of church, choice of denomination, joining the local church, laws and taxes, paperwork, mandatory lessons about religion and so forth. Peter baltised Cornelius and his family right after they filled with the spirit. Philip baltised the eunuch right then and there.
Why can’t I just go to the pastor and be like “bro, wanna be baptised” and he be like “f yeah, dude” and tosses me in the nearby lake?
I suppose that this is the way it is done these days, but this is an issue I would truly complain about. Compared to this, the method of baptism isn’t bothering me that much at all.

 

[Kit Sigmon]

Having finally overcome my reservations about church communities, I found my desire to be baptized. This usually includes a few weeks of studying things about bible and church, which I do not understand, but it isn't bothering me. What bothers me is that they practice baptism without immersion, something I just found out. I am not sure how I feel. Maybe it is because most things I know I learned from Baptists or because the word 'baptizo' means 'immerse' or because the bible only ever mentions places with sufficient water as places of baptism, either way, it bothers me and I am not sure how to react. I feel bad going to them and suddenly call it off, but I am not sure how to feel about baptism without immersion. I know that it isn't technically in the bible, but it is what I was looking forward to and what I imagined.

Any thoughts on how to handle it?

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Lexicon.show/ID/G907/baptizo.htm

If you desire to follow the Lord's example... then do so.

 

[corinth77777]

The fact that he was baptized and went on his way rejoicing is sufficient evidence. Fortunately he did not face a phony investigation into this matter.

You are saying the fact that he Was Baptized and went on his way rejoicing is evidence to say Christ commanded WATER BAPTISM.....um.....So we need not use scripture?....So you are saying without his Water Baptism, he would not have rejoiced and went on HIS WAY?

 

[Micah888]

You are saying the fact that he Was Baptized and went on his way rejoicing is evidence to say Christ commanded WATER BAPTISM.....um.....So we need not use scripture?....So you are saying without his Water Baptism, he would not have rejoiced and went on HIS WAY?

I believe you are misunderstanding the whole issue. So we must start with the commandment of Christ before His ascension:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.Amen. (Mt 28:18-20)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (MK 16:15,16)

The eleven apostles and all the disciples present with them heard this commandment, and were required to obey it. So on the Day of Pentecost (10 days later), Peter preached the Gospel and commanded his hearers to repent and be baptized (Acts 2). And about 3,000 believers were baptized.

Philip would also have been among those who heard Peter preach and witnessed this great response to the Gospel, so when he shared the Gospel with the eunuch, he made sure that his hearer understood that obedience to the Gospel would also mean obedience to Christ's commandment regarding baptism. So the fact that this man was baptized and went on his way rejoicing proves that he heard what was necessary from Philip.

 

[corinth77777]

I believe you are misunderstanding the whole issue. So we must start with the commandment of Christ before His ascension:

And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.Amen. (Mt 28:18-20)

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (MK 16:15,16)

The eleven apostles and all the disciples present with them heard this commandment, and were required to obey it. So on the Day of Pentecost (10 days later), Peter preached the Gospel and commanded his hearers to repent and be baptized (Acts 2). And about 3,000 believers were baptized.

Philip would also have been among those who heard Peter preach and witnessed this great response to the Gospel, so when he shared the Gospel with the eunuch, he made sure that his hearer understood that obedience to the Gospel would also mean obedience to Christ's commandment regarding baptism. So the fact that this man was baptized and went on his way rejoicing proves that he heard what was necessary from Philip.

Both Passages pertain to the same thing, right? If they do then, BAPTISM would mean the same in both passages. Matthew gives more detail. Jesus in my opinion then, is saying Teach them by (baptizing) .....but what does baptism mean here? WATER? um...I wouldn't say for sure it means that here. Yet, Jesus seems to explain what he wants in the context- Teach all nations by teaching them to observe all things whatsoever HE commanded.

And let me go on to be presumptuous if ya don't mind. When they do as commanded they are Baptized. The reason I point this out is because, One we know when one walks in the spirit the blood cleanses.....And this Cleansing would put you back, or in relationship with the FATHER. And You would know because you been renewed with the SPIRIT.

So the only question I would have for myself, if this were true....is to find out what, "IN THE NAME" entails.

 

[Micah888]

but what does baptism mean here? WATER? um...

Of course it means water. "Baptizing them" is a command to the apostles (and the Church) to baptize those who are saved. Only Christ can baptize with the Holy Spirit, which is a supernatural work of God

So the only question I would have for myself, if this were true....is to find out what, "IN THE NAME" entails.

As you will note it is in the Name (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (the triune Godhead). So Christians are baptized under the authority (in the Name) of God. This is not a human tradition but a divine ordinance.

 

[corinth77777]

Of course it means water. "Baptizing them" is a command to the apostles (and the Church) to baptize those who are saved. Only Christ can baptize with the Holy Spirit, which is a supernatural work of God

As you will note it is in the Name (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (the triune Godhead). So Christians are baptized under the authority (in the Name) of God. This is not a human tradition but a divine ordinance.

My presupposition is that the fact That He was given authority .....means that He is now back in His rightful place. And it's possible that to baptize [immerse] in the name...is to bring them to a place where their inside is clean that the outside body of Christ puts them in relationship with life [GOD THE Father] Himself. So to immerse them is to teach them to Do all that Jesus commanded of them to do. So no, I'm not convinced He is speaking of water Baptism, unless it's the water that flows from Christ....living water

 

[corinth77777]

Of course it means water. "Baptizing them" is a command to the apostles (and the Church) to baptize those who are saved. Only Christ can baptize with the Holy Spirit, which is a supernatural work of God

As you will note it is in the Name (singular) of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (the triune Godhead). So Christians are baptized under the authority (in the Name) of God. This is not a human tradition but a divine ordinance.

If one is surrounded by the teachings of Christ and taught to do them [making learners or disciples] They will be cleansed[baptized] because who these actions are ....[meaning these are the actions of Christ] Therefore when we are brought into living,thinking,behaving or walking in the light we are cleansed through the blood of Jesus. This is in my opinion what it means to be [ baptized] immersed into the Name.
So what now do I believe " in the name" is? GOD and as you said the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Its the aspects of the living God.
Therefore in some how it denotes GOD is GOD. Or I am that I am. The sum total of all things or how all things are created. And how everything will be gathered in Him on earth.
How is it one begins to know God's will unless they are caught up in His word. Eternal life even is said to be knowing GOD and Jesus. So in essence the disciples in my opinion were to teach them by surrounding or immersing them into the word [for the word is how everything is created] so watch and live as they follow Christ. As Paul says follow me as I follow Christ. So to make a disciple they were to teach them by getting them caught up in the word, or What GOD is doing.
What Got me in the mist of this meditating and reading was His name, Which is strait to who He is: The Father, son, Holy Ghost......which the purity or glass window with no guessing involved. Which is awesome because Even His Name is Living and Source of Power......ump ump ump

 

[frater_domus]

I have talked with the pastor. Turned out much better than expected. I mentioned that I would be leaving Germany soon and there may not be sufficient time to do all the required meeting for the Baptism and so forth. I also mentioned that there is a baptist church where I will be moving. She then said that it would probably be better that I would be baptised there. She said that the local community has built up on routine for people who have grown up with it, mainly older folks as it turns out. My beliefs, enthusiasm and very strong focus on God would find its home with a baptist church, far so more than in their community. She did recommend me a good Methodist pastor in their community though, until I depart that is.

I was expecting blood sweat and tears. She took it quite well though and seemed happy that she could help me to find a good match. Guess it all worked out in the end

 

[Meowzltov]

Having finally overcome my reservations about church communities, I found my desire to be baptized. This usually includes a few weeks of studying things about bible and church, which I do not understand, but it isn't bothering me. What bothers me is that they practice baptism without immersion, something I just found out. I am not sure how I feel. Maybe it is because most things I know I learned from Baptists or because the word 'baptizo' means 'immerse' or because the bible only ever mentions places with sufficient water as places of baptism, either way, it bothers me and I am not sure how to react. I feel bad going to them and suddenly call it off, but I am not sure how to feel about baptism without immersion. I know that it isn't technically in the bible, but it is what I was looking forward to and what I imagined.

Any thoughts on how to handle it?

The Early Church used different methods of Baptism, depending on how much water was available.

The most common method was to stand or kneel in water and have it poured over the head. It is believed this is how John baptized.

As long as they are using water and baptizing in the name of the
Father , Son, and Holy Spirit, I would go ahead.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This is precisely what bothers me.

Good. It is right to be bothered by what you have seen. Like the recent post/ idea of some that baptism is not immersion in the Name of Yahshua (Jesus).
Be bothered enough to seek the TRUTH ONLY, from the ONLY ONE WHO CAN REVEAL THIS TO YOU - YAHWEH.

 

[Joy]

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