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Shelb5 said:August, please be sensible, there are at least a couple billion Christians world wide who do baptize for the remission of sins and only a few million, if even that who don't and do it for other reasons.
Shelb5 said:August- http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_romcath.html
Here, I don’t have a calculator but if you would be so kind to add all these number up. I’d appreciate it.
Christian 2,106,962,000
Roman Catholics 1,105,808,000
Independents 416,541,000
Protestants 369,848,000
Orthodox 218,427,000
Anglicans 78,745,000
Muslims 1,283,424,000
Hindus 851,291,000
Chinese Universists 402,065,000
Buddhists 375,440,000
Sikhs 24,989,000
Jews 14,990,000
Okay it's 1 billion, 1 million Catholics and the Orthodox is so many million. Just between us alone not counting Lutherans and Anglicans more Christians do believe baptism is regenerative than those who do not.Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:Vatican Radio refutes that number.
Catholics worldwide register increase
The Catholic population in the world in 2004 increased by 12 million compared to 2003, according to the latest figures released by the Vatican. The statistics for 2003 and 2004 were contained in Vatican's annual yearbook, called the Annuario Pontificio for 2006, which was presented to Pope Benedict XVI on Saturday. According to the yearbook, the number of Catholics in the world grew from 1 billion 86 million in 2003 to 1 billion 98 million in 2004 - an increase of 1.1 percent. But in comparison to the world population, which grew from 6.301 billion in 2003 to 6.388 billion in 2004, the Catholic population shrunk by 0.1 percent. Catholics in 2003 formed 17.2% of the world population, whereas in 2004 the percentage declined to 17.1%. In the same period, 170 bishops were nominated around the world. The number of priests in the world in 2004 grew by 441 to 405,891; but this growth was not uniform in all the continents. There were 1,422 and 840 more priests in Asia and Africa respectively in 2004, whereas in the Americas and Oceania the number remained practically stationary. In 2004, there were 1,876 fewer priests in Europe compared to 2003. However, the number of permanent deacons in North America and Europe has increased to 32,324.
http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/in2/Articolo.asp?c=67147
In reality, according to the official Vatican Radio source, the number is closer to 1.09 billion, nearly half of the number presented here as fact.
read the passages i gave you. john 3:18, says the same thing except the word baptism, john 7:37-39 tells us why. mark 16:16 is after he is glorified so he can now speak of this SPirit baptism, which John the baptist said he would give us. also read mark 17, these sign will accompony those who BELIEVE. left out the word baptism again. WHY? because the SPirit baptism is already done, and cant be seen, except through your works. your works or way of life shows whether you have received this SPirit baptism or not. you will show you have been BORN again and are a new creature or new man.sportsfreak4 said:Still like to be showed how you know its baptism of the spirit...no one has showed me how they got that.
And no I didnt switch the words around in Acts 2:38..i copied and pasted straight from NKJ. Also it nevers says just to repent.
According to several sites, at least in the U.S. (I don't know if it is different, statistically in Europe, etc.), Protestantism is the largest (by far) group of Christians.Shelb5 said:There is nearly 2 billion Catholics world wide, Catholics make up most of the Christian population and then Orthodox is second then Protestants.
Catholic and Orthodox most certainly believe in baptism that saves and so do Lutherans, Anglicans and a few other Protestant sects so I can be very confident that, world wide, a few billion believe that baptism saves.
A New Dawn said:According to several sites, at least in the U.S. (I don't know if it is different, statistically in Europe, etc.), Protestantism is the largest (by far) group of Christians.
More Christians do than don't, is that better? Non Christians dont believe in any baptism at all, so brining them into is moot.Gal328 said:How many people believe that it is necessary for Salvation.
In America maybe which is not surprising in light of America’s history and intolerance of Catholics and other faiths even breathing the same air here in America .A New Dawn said:According to several sites, at least in the U.S. (I don't know if it is different, statistically in Europe, etc.), Protestantism is the largest (by far) group of Christians.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_deno.htm
Size of religious groups in the U.S.
Polling data from early 2001 indicate that:
- 76.5% (159 million) of Americans identify themselves as Christian. This is a major slide from 86.2% in 1990. Identification with Christianity has suffered a loss of 9.7 percentage points in 11 years -- about 0.9 percentage points per year.
- 52% of Americans identified themselves as Protestant.
- 24.5% are Roman Catholic.
- 14.1% do not follow any organized religion. This is an unusually rapid increase from only 8% in 1990.
- 1.3% are Jewish.
- 0.5% are Muslim, followers of Islam.
http://www.adherents.com/rel_USA.html#Pew_branches
Survey Response %, ................ March 2002
Protestant ..................... .............. 52
Catholic ......................... .............. 24
Mormon ........................................ 2
Orthodox ....................................... *
Non-denominational ....................... 0
Something else (Specify) ................ 2
Not practicing any religion .............. 0
Don't know/Refused ....................... 2
The numbers don't make any difference, though, as my post stated that most Christians agree that baptism is necessary (for one reason or another)
Shelb5 said:More Christians do than don't, is that better? Non Christians dont believe in any baptism at all, so brining them into is moot.
Let me ask YOU this. Why did Christ get baptised if HE is the way the truth and the life?Inviolable said:Let me ask you this.
Why did Jesus even bother getting crucified if getting baptised was the way to salvation?
And what does grace do?Inviolable said:Before Jesus baptism was a baptism of sin.
After Jesus it was a baptism of Grace.
Jesus got baptised to show that baptism had gone from sin to grace.
Considering Jesus had never sinned, that is what he demonstrated by his baptism.
Oh my, will dichotomies ever end?Inviolable said:Let me ask you this.
Why did Jesus even bother getting crucified if getting baptised was the way to salvation?
IT SAVES YOU!!!!!!!Scott_LaFrance said:And what does grace do?
Inviolable said:Let me ask you this.
Why did Jesus even bother getting crucified if getting baptised was the way to salvation?
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