ThirdDay3337
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Does it matte whether it is baptism by the spirit or water, as long as the person is baptized?sportsfreak4 said:
Brother in Christ,
Luke
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Does it matte whether it is baptism by the spirit or water, as long as the person is baptized?sportsfreak4 said:Still like to be showed how you know its baptism of the spirit...no one has showed me how they got that.
And no I didnt switch the words around in Acts 2:38..i copied and pasted straight from NKJ. Also it nevers says just to repent.
ThirdDay3337 said:Does it matte whether it is baptism by the spirit or water, as long as the person is baptized?
Brother in Christ,
Luke
Unless, of course, you subscribe to universal salvation, in which everyone is saved, period. In which case you can throw the bible, the Nicene Creed, doctrines, sacraments, theology and everything else out the window. If you submit to universal salvation, you really cannot call yourself Christian.Shelb5 said:Sure do but it's not a sacrament- this is what y'all are having trouble understanding.
But as long as you don’t throw out washing feet, we're doing okay.Scott_LaFrance said:Unless, of course, you subscribe to universal salvation, in which everyone is saved, period. In which case you can throw the bible, the Nicene Creed, doctrines, sacraments, theology and everything else out the window. If you submit to universal salvation, you really cannot call yourself Christian.
Yeah, we have to have proper form, matter and intent for a sacrament to be valid.ThirdDay3337 said:Does it matte whether it is baptism by the spirit or water, as long as the person is baptized?
Brother in Christ,
Luke
Of course. Everyone is saved according to John 3:16, as long as we all wash each other's feet.Shelb5 said:But as long as you don’t throw out washing feet, we're doing okay.
John's baptism is not the same as our baptism. He baptized with water only, our baptism is done with water and the Holy Spirit.Stinker said:John 3:22-30 (New International Version)
John the Baptist's Testimony About Jesus
22After this, Jesus and his disciples went out into the Judean countryside, where he spent some time with them, and baptized. 23Now John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because there was plenty of water, and people were constantly coming to be baptized. 24(This was before John was put in prison.) 25An argument developed between some of John's disciples and a certain Jew[a] over the matter of ceremonial washing. 26They came to John and said to him, "Rabbi, that man who was with you on the other side of the Jordanthe one you testified aboutwell, he is baptizing, and everyone is going to him."
John 4:1 (New International Version)
John 4
Jesus Talks With a Samaritan Woman
1The Pharisees heard that Jesus was gaining and baptizing more disciples than John,
Well ................. that would be a bit of an exaggeration since there are only 6.6 billion people on the earth and Christianity claims only about one-third of the population.Shelb5 said:World wide? A few billion.
Then I’ll make sure I wash some feet because if I don’t then that might mean that I was never really saved to begin with.Scott_LaFrance said:Of course. Everyone is saved according to John 3:16, as long as we all wash each other's feet.Wouldn't that be works based salvation? Oh the horror!!!
for one he did not tell them to go water baptize. he did not tell Paul to do it so why would e have told the others. matt. 28, he tells them to go preach the gospel to all nations making them disciples which in turn baptises them into the Church. the , baptising is not water or what to do with them it is what HAPPENS with them when they become disciples or saved. as 1 cor 12:13 tells us. THAT IS WHY IT HAS A ,(comma) and not the word AND before the word baptizing and it is INTO not in. and when they have the SPirit they can then understand the teachings of Christ. as 1 cor 2:12-15. because we can understand what he wants of us untill we receive the SPirit to guide us into all truth.Shelb5 said:The why do it? Rather why did Jesus tell his apostles to go do it?
What would be the point in sending the apostles out to do something that didnt have any effect on salvation?
Shelb5 said:Yeah, we have to have proper form, matter and intent for a sacrament to be valid.
There is nearly 2 billion Catholics world wide, Catholics make up most of the Christian population and then Orthodox is second then Protestants.A New Dawn said:Well ................. that would be a bit of an exaggeration since there are only 6.6 billion people on the earth and Christianity claims only about one-third of the population.
But I would say that most within Christianity believe that baptism is required. Not necessarily as a requisite to get into heaven, but to show obedience to God, who commanded us to do so.
Hi, Please don’t take this the wrong way but I disagree and I really don't feel like debating this.Schroeder said:for one he did not tell them to go water baptize. he did not tell Paul to do it so why would e have told the others. matt. 28, he tells them to go preach the gospel to all nations making them disciples which in turn baptises them into the Church. the , baptising is not water or what to do with them it is what HAPPENS with them when they become disciples or saved. as 1 cor 12:13 tells us. THAT IS WHY IT HAS A ,(comma) and not the word AND before the word baptizing and it is INTO not in. and when they have the SPirit they can then understand the teachings of Christ. as 1 cor 2:12-15. because we can understand what he wants of us untill we receive the SPirit to guide us into all truth.
Shelb5 said:World wide? A few billion.
I’m sorry but I'm still not following you. I didn’t even know that washing feet not being a sacrament was even a issue the Church needed to address.ThreeAM said:Well a decision on what the church considers sacraments and what it does not consider sacraments [I.E. Foot washing] had to be made some where. The council of Trent was one place that confirmed what the church considered a sacrament. One of the issues between the Protestant church and the Catholic church was "sacraments" in general. That is the reason the Council of Trent addressed the issue.
As I said personally I'm more comfortable following Christ's comand and example.
Shelb5 said:There is nearly 2 billion Catholics world wide,.
August, please be sensible, there are at least a couple billion Christians world wide who do baptize for the remission of sins and only a few million, if even that who don't and do it for other reasons.Augustine_Was_Calvinist said:Really? So Buddhists and Muslims believe water baptism is neccessary for salvation?
Shelb5 said:There is nearly 2 billion Catholics world wide
Shelb5 said:Yep! Baptism does 'save' us from the fall of mankind and puts us on the path to salvation. We have been given freely the gift of God's grace i.e. reconciliation with him and the cross has made our peace with God but we still have to accept all that we have been freely given and persevere in it if we will be saved.
IOW, salvation it’s an ongoing process, not an event. We ‘work out’ like Paul says what we have been given with fear and trembling.
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