Bad Logic

[gaara4158]

That's your prerogative --- but it's more than coincidence that, when exercising your prerogatives, you prefer the terms on the left side of my list, to the terms on the right side.And thus my point.

Their "sensitivity" becomes ingrained into your psyches, and then, when outside of your "sensitive boxes" --- like here on the Internet, where those rules of sensitivity don't apply --- you still use (in fact, prefer) them.

Not to mention: defend them.

Wait, what? The teachers don't use that terminology because it indicates an atheist bias. We use it here because we don't care if our bias shows; we have icons that appear by our usernames anyway, so there's no point in hiding it...

 

[random325nicaea]

Don't you guys ever get tired of talking to yourselves about how much you hate "creationist"?

For people who are convinced that God doesn't exist, you spend an awful lot of time fixated on him.

the next generation is the future of our species, we better make dam sure we don't retard them with creation "science".

stomp out ignorance where you find it, it serves no purpose but to comfort the delusional.

 

[random325nicaea]

It wasn't though.

In a way I agree with your point, that this forum has become too one-sided. There are too few from the anti-evolution crowd, and as a result the pro-evolution crowd has become more vocal and critical. It's what automatically happens on forums when one side becomes too dominant, i.e. human nature. What this forum desperately needs are some intelligent anti-evolutionists willing to argue their case.

This is why I think it's a shame that you seem to refuse to supply some much needed counterbalance. I know you can defend your case intelligently when you want, yet you seem to waste your potential on kneejerk responses about persecution and the pointless bickering that inevitably follows. By this behaviour you're contributing to the belief that the anti-evolution crowd has nothing serious to offer, i.e. you're essentially sabotaging your own goal.

Peter

HAHAH

"What this forum desperately needs are some intelligent anti-evolutionists willing to argue their case."

there aren't any. the moment they become educated, they become "evolutionists"

it's part of their plight, they have only ignorance to plead. ToE has the fossils, comparative anatomy, research, tests, genetics, peer review, ect.

 

[Hespera]

random sez.....the next generation is the future of our species, we better make dam sure we don't retard them with creation "science".

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hespera sez.........................

Oh not to worry. The Chinese and Indians wont be wasting any time on that, the human species wont be affected by creation science, or voodoo.

The practitioners will be but that is their problem.

 

[gaara4158]

HAHAH

"What this forum desperately needs are some intelligent anti-evolutionists willing to argue their case."

there aren't any. the moment they become educated, they become "evolutionists"

it's part of their plight, they have only ignorance to plead. ToE has the fossils, comparative anatomy, research, tests, genetics, peer review, ect.

You're gettin the hang of it, consol, i almost second guessed myself this time.

 

[plindboe]

OK, I read a few reasoned responses to my post, and I appreciate it. When I first started here, I did engage in evolution debate for awhile, and for the most part it was enjoyable. But AV1611VET has a point, typically, if someone "labeled" as a creationist brings up a scientific point, it is an open invitation to gang warfare. Regardless of how valid that point may be.

I think many people are here because they enjoy disagreement and debate (myself included). Hence they'll pounce on someone who identifies him-/herself as having a different stance. That said, how it plays out is usually determined by how people first present their case. If they show humility and openness they'll be greeted with friendly people happy to educate them. But unfortunately humility is rarely encountered in these kinds of debates, as most people feel they have to take a definite stand.

I have never stated that I know everything or even close to everything where evolutionary science is concerned. But I do understand it.

I don't think there are any experts here (though a few come close) and we all have more to learn. *

Maybe I will give it another go.

Sounds good.

Peter

* Edited to add: Just thought of an expert: sfs has done much peer-reviewed work on evolution as far as I recall.

 

[plindboe]

HAHAH

"What this forum desperately needs are some intelligent anti-evolutionists willing to argue their case."

there aren't any. the moment they become educated, they become "evolutionists"

I suggest you look up the word "intelligent" in the dictionary. It does not mean the same as "educated".

Go and find another forum to troll.

Peter

 

[Naraoia]

Maybe I'm wrong to blame all of science on its representatives here, but I have honestly concluded that although science doesn't put in print anti-religious sentiments, it is certainly "taught" in the classrooms that way.

It might be a good idea to base such honest conclusions on actual experience of science classrooms.

 

[AV1611VET]

It might be a good idea to base such honest conclusions on actual experience of science classrooms.

How long to I have to sit in a science classroom before I hear the words, "30 million years ago..."?

 

[Cabal]

How long to I have to sit in a science classroom before I hear the words, "30 million years ago..."?

Nice goalpost move there.

 

[Naraoia]

How long to I have to sit in a science classroom before I hear the words, "30 million years ago..."?

And that is anti-religious how?

 

[BananaSlug]

How long to I have to sit in a science classroom before I hear the words, "30 million years ago..."?

What does that have to do with anti-religious sentiment? In my four years of attending Winthrop University, I only had one teacher that was openly atheist. Out of the many teachers I had, only 4 were atheist. Most were Methodist, Episcopalian, etc.

"30 million years ago" has nothing to do with anti-religious sentiment.

 

[Naraoia]

What does that have to do with anti-religious sentiment? In my four years of attending Winthrop University, I only had one teacher that was openly atheist. Out of the many teachers I had, only 4 were atheist. Most were Methodist, Episcopalian, etc.

After three years of attending uni, I don't even know what religious views most of my teachers hold.

 

[BananaSlug]

After three years of attending uni, I don't even know what religious views most of my teachers hold.

Yeah well I was having some questions about different things and they were all willing to talk to me. College professors are really willing to help if you have questions or concerns.
I've never had a single one who felt like it was their job to deconvert everybody, contrary to the chain email stories.

 

[Split Rock]

Back in my days, things were sacred, until science covered the shadow of the Cross with the shadow of a clipboard.

Now we're seeing a rise in people breaking into churches --- looting, stealing, and even shooting people.

What a load of bull. Science is responsible for people breaking into churches??? I won't even bother to ask if you have any evidence to back up such a ludicrous claim, because I already know you do not. You just make up stuff like this that you desperately want to be true, because it fits into your nice back and white paradigm of Good vs Evil and The Bible vs. Science. It is no wonder why no one takes you seriously, or why you fail to convine anyone here of anything.

 

[Cabal]

After three years of attending uni, I don't even know what religious views most of my teachers hold.

I can say the same thing, but in a different department and I was there for five years.

Sample size is now two for University of St Andrews!

 

[plindboe]

How long to I have to sit in a science classroom before I hear the words, "30 million years ago..."?

Are you saying that anything that contradicts a religious belief is anti-religious? Think this through for a second.

Since religious beliefs differ on just about anything, this would mean that anything that could possibly be taught would be anti-religious.

It would mean that you're being anti-religious when you claim that the Earth was created six millennia ago, since the hindus believe it came into existance many billions of years ago.

Or are you simply saying that anything that contradicts YOUR specific beliefs is anti-religious?

Peter

 

[Hespera]

Isnt it weird, some of the fantasies that people have about what univ is all about?

I cant help thinking, in that and in people's attacks on (what they think) evolution is, wht universities are.if it were like they think Id be attacking it too. Instead i see these rather fantastical strawmen set up and then savaged, and they never even get close to the truth of things.

Try to tell them how things really are and they think its just rhetorical tricks and dont believe a wrod of it. Then its back to attacking it that evolution says people are decended from monkeys.

i guess maybe subconsciously they know if they stuck to the truth they'd have nothing to attack.

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you saying that anything that contradicts a religious belief is anti-religious? Think this through for a second.

Since religious beliefs differ on just about anything, this would mean that anything that could possibly be taught would be anti-religious.

It would mean that you're being anti-religious when you claim that the Earth was created six millennia ago, since the hindus believe it came into existance many billions of years ago.

Or are you simply saying that anything that contradicts YOUR specific beliefs is anti-religious?

Peter

Well, to be honest, Christianity isn't a religion, it's a relationship.

 

[AV1611VET]

Isnt it weird, some of the fantasies that people have about what univ is all about?

Not really.

I've made the point that I think colleges and universities subtly ingrain anti-religious sentiments into peoples' minds.

Coming back and saying, "No they don't" means you're missing my point --- it's being done subtly.

I don't think they mean to, they just can't help it.