Bachmann's Scientific Illiteracy.

[chaz345]

He implied that it was unnecessary by saying it was preventable by changing behaviors. The problem with that, is that you cannot change other people's behavior (such as a husband's previous sex contacts) to prevent harm to yourself.

I agree that it shouldn't be forced, but it should be strongly encouraged.

Ok what measures do you consider to be strongly encouraging? I mean as it is now with other vaccines, no one says you absolutely have to have them, but you can't, for example, go to public schools without them.

 

[DaisyDay]

Ok what measures do you consider to be strongly encouraging? I mean as it is now with other vaccines, no one says you absolutely have to have them, but you can't, for example, go to public schools without them.

I thought most public schools had allowances for medical and religious exemptions. Am I mistaken?

 

[chaz345]

I thought most public schools had allowances for medical and religious exemptions. Am I mistaken?

Such things exist yes, but they are often hard to get and often result in being treated differently than everyone else.

 

[jayem]

Gardasil doesn't need to be mandatory for school attendance. But it should be treated like Pneumococcal vaccine. Which is strongly advised for people in a particular age group, or with certain risk factors.

I can forsee a circumstance where it might be mandatory. If an unvaccinated minor (girl or boy) were raped by a person who had observable genital warts, then a court might order Gardasil for the victim. But that would be quite an exceptional situation.

 

[JBJoe]

Gee, maybe there might be a trend back towards arranged marriages with candidates who are medically proven to be clean

BACK towards arranged marriages with candidates who are medically proven to be clean?

When was this ever the norm?

 

[DaisyDay]

Such things exist yes, but they are often hard to get and often result in being treated differently than everyone else.

By whom? Usually kids aren't that aware of other kids' vaccine statuses. Well, except maybe the ones with compromised immune systems - other kids might be warned to not give them their germs.

 

[JBJoe]

I can forsee a circumstance where it might be mandatory. If an unvaccinated minor (girl or boy) were raped by a person who had observable genital warts, then a court might order Gardasil for the victim. But that would be quite an exceptional situation.

And pointless. Gardisil requires a series of 3 shots over 6 months to give adequate protection. Gardisil offers no benefit if administered after infection.

 

[JBJoe]

By whom? Usually kids aren't that aware of other kids' vaccine statuses. Well, except maybe the ones with compromised immune systems - other kids might be warned to not give them their germs.

When I was growing up, my mother kept my shot record in her purse. When I was 6, her purse was stolen. I went through the rest of school being treated as one of those who didn't get vaccinated. (I am acutely aware that this could have been easily fixed and I've never been given a good reason why it wasn't.)

My friends never knew about it and never treated me different, except that I could not participate in non-school sports (Little League, Soccer, etc.) with them; I could not go to some camps; and I could not go to most daycare centers. From their perspective I just seemed to be the kid with a really dull mother who never took him to do anything.

 

[RedDead1981]

Such things exist yes, but they are often hard to get and often result in being treated differently than everyone else.

I have never in 11 years working in schools, see a child get treated differently because he/she did not get a certain vaccine. Except for a time when I worked at a residential school and took the kids to their doctors appointments, I never even knew. Nobody does. Nobody cares about who gets what vaccine. "Ah hah, you didn't get the tetanus shot NERD!" Yeah, no.

 

[chaz345]

By whom? Usually kids aren't that aware of other kids' vaccine statuses. Well, except maybe the ones with compromised immune systems - other kids might be warned to not give them their germs.

The parents are very often treated differently by the school system. I see it first hand as I work in a school.

 

[RedDead1981]

That must be your school, then, because I've worked for three different districts, a BOCES (which services nineteen districts), and a private school and I have almost NEVER seen that. The parents are treated a bit differently because they ASKED to be treated differently, but it is never beyond the accomodation of the request.

I did see one parent get badmouthed after she left. She came in threatening to sue us because I had to restrain her son when he lost it after he got an ear infection. I have two U-shaped scars (bite) on my left bicep from that encounter, but she didn't care. So you bet I said some four letter words about her. But I'm venting. :/

 

[DaisyDay]

The parents are very often treated differently by the school system. I see it first hand as I work in a school.

Well, that must be quite a hardship what with all the minutes of interaction parents have. In what way are they treated differently? Do you treat them differently?

 

[JBJoe]

The parents are very often treated differently by the school system. I see it first hand as I work in a school.

I don't see the problem here. The parents made a decision to go against the best scientific evidence available and imperil many children other than their own. Why shouldn't they receive different treatment?

 

[jgarden]

If a principal were to knowingly allow an unvaccinated child into a school and that led to serious outbreak, he/she would be exiled to Lower Slobovia for the rest of their natural life - and rightfully so!

You can't remain in a school with a case of head lice, let alone jeporadize the health of 100's of children because some administrator or parent considers themselves "exceptional" and above the rules.

In a world where any disease on the planet is only an international planeflight away, this is serious business!

 

[MachZer0]

If a principal were to knowingly allow an unvaccinated child into a school and that led to serious outbreak, he/she would be exiled to Lower Slobovia for the rest of their natural life - and rightfully so!

You can't remain in a school with a case of head lice, let alone jeporadize the health of 100's of children because some administrator or parent considers themselves "exceptional" and above the rules.

In a world where any disease on the planet is only an international planeflight away, this is serious business!

Would that apply to principals who allow HIV positive students in school?

 

[JBJoe]

Would that apply to principals who allow HIV positive students in school?

If HIV were as virulent as diseases like measles, chicken pox, smallpox or polio, it would should absolutely apply to principals who allow HIV positive students in school.

No child going to public school right now has had a smallpox vaccine. Would you be concerned if your child or grandchild were going to school with someone who had an active case of smallpox?

 

[religious&reasonable]

So Bachmann is scientifically illiterate? Then the progressives should wholeheartedly support her---after all, if she's that gullible, she'll be that much easier to convince that a fetus really isn't a baby and that global warming really is caused by human activity.

Oh come now, don't change the subject. this has nothing to do with evil leftists, or the LAMEstream media's "gotcha questions" or any of the bs.

This is about how Bachmann said something irrational, and made little sense. She used no evidence or facts to support her claims, and just spouted vague rhetoric, and not specifying at all about the situation, and Perry was ultimately in the right.

No I'm not a Perry supporter, before anyone asks (Ron Paul ftw).

 

[Nathan Poe]

The parents are very often treated differently by the school system. I see it first hand as I work in a school.

"Differently" as in "having special medical precautions taken with their children because paranoia has turned them into potential incubators for diseases which would've been wiped out by now if it weren't for such idiocy"?

Act like a loon; get treated like a loon.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I have Aspergers, with no history of it in my family. The arm thing, which I now call flapping, literally started the day I got the shot. That's an amazing coincidence. No doctor has ever been able to find something wrong with me to explain it.

First: Asperger's doesn't have evidence linking it as genetic. My brother has Asperger's and no one in our family has it either.

Second: If the behaviors started the same day, at that intensity, it probably was not the vaccine. They work fast, but they don't work THAT fast.

Third: Assuming you were tested appropriately, a doctor should be able to find something - obviously they know what's wrong with you since they can tell you that you have Asperger's.

Fourth: You're very coherent for someone with Asperger's. Tell me, what is your focus? Do you have any difficulty in social situations? Are you searching for "Asperger's" in Google right now to try to bolster your ridiculous anecdotal argument.

 

[Jro]

Fourth: You're very coherent for someone with Asperger's. Tell me, what is your focus? Do you have any difficulty in social situations? Are you searching for "Asperger's" in Google right now to try to bolster your ridiculous anecdotal argument.

Why do you think someone with Asperger's would be incoherent?