Autism

[little1]

I believe there is pressure for people not to believe in the possible spiritual roots of mental health problems, even from Christians, who happen to be carnally minded themselves.

It is important to acknowledge our spiritual roots as Christains, and let the Bible define our world view and not popular culture. Labels given to some of these ailments by the scientific world become the strongholds that wall people in. One aspect of being able to discern things accurately is to call things what God calls them, not what man calls them. If we can start with that we will have made some significant progress.

Since we a spirit, soul and body, It's important to have a holistic view of things. But we leave people stranded if we disregard the possible involvement of demons and the devil. Even though not everything must be attributed to him.

So very true!!!

 

[Susan Swanger Zipf]

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What is your view of autism as it pertains to demonic power? Do you believe autism is mainly caused by demonic oppression? I have heard many teachers say that most disease is, but anyone here have any experience on this?

I'm trying really hard not to be offended by the idea. You may as well ask "Is Down's syndrome caused my demons?" "Is hydrocephalus caused by demons?" Or any other genetic abnormality.

I have three autistic sons. After extensive testing, it was discovered that two of the three are missing a portion of one of the 22nd chromosomes. That lack always is accompanied by someone who is either desperately depressed, schizophrenic, or autistic. My husband and I both have one of our 22nd gene missing the same portion. So each one got one good 22nd chromosome, and one with a missing portion. By the way, my husband has Asperger's, and I have had major depression since before I went to Kindergarten.

My older son got both of our missing gene-chromosome. His Autism is much more profound. These issues are genetic a genetic mutation, passed from parent to child, NOT a demonic attack, any more than red hair or long fingers.

I know there are demons. I've seen them, both in person and in visions. They have more urgent matters than to cause a disorder that we caused ourselves with thousands of generations of sin. You can't see demons around every corner.

Let's not give the enemy more credit than he deserves, shall we?

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I think you really need to slow down and read the thread before you just blow your gasket.

I too have children that are autistic... that is why I asked. There is absolutely nothing wrong with asking such a question and this idea that we give Satan credit for stuff is absurd. If he is responsible for something then the only way to defeat it is to identify it.

 

[Susan Swanger Zipf]

Sorry. I know not many people are aware that there is an identified genetic cause for autism.
But I also know that people believe that it's demons. I've been told that so many times.
These are the same idiots who tell me that my husband (who has had 34 strokes and is on dialysis) is not being healed because I don't have enough faith to throw out all his medications, including insulin and dialysis solution.

I'm a little touchy. Again. sorry.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

Sorry. I know not many people are aware that there is an identified genetic cause for autism.
But I also know that people believe that it's demons. I've been told that so many times.
These are the same idiots who tell me that my husband (who has had 34 strokes and is on dialysis) is not being healed because I don't have enough faith to throw out all his medications, including insulin and dialysis solution.

I'm a little touchy. Again. sorry.

It is okay. I understand completely. No harm no foul

 

[Susan Swanger Zipf]

Sorry. I know not many people are aware that there is an identified genetic cause for autism.
But I also know that people believe that it's demons. I've been told that so many times.
These are the same idiots who tell me that my husband (who has had 34 strokes and is on dialysis) is not being healed because I don't have enough faith to throw out all his medications, including insulin and dialysis solution.

I'm a little touchy. Again. sorry.

I'm just really tired.
Between the 17 yr old who won't leave the house, and the 12 yr old twins, both with autism, and then one has major depression, and one has Auditory processing disorder, and my husband, who is trying for the most strokes ever suffered by one man and live (he's at 34 strokes). None of it is in our control.

As I said. I'm just tired.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I'm just really tired.
Between the 17 yr old who won't leave the house, and the 12 yr old twins, both with autism, and then one has major depression, and one has Auditory processing disorder, and my husband, who is trying for the most strokes ever suffered by one man and live (he's at 34 strokes). None of it is in our control.

As I said. I'm just tired.

Well I will say a prayer for you and your loved ones. Leave it at the feet of God, if he wants them "well" it will be so. If he has some other purpose it will be so. Regardless, it is out of anyone's control as I am sure you know well. But if it has to be in the hands of God, there is no better place for it. I will pray for your loved ones

 

[Sabertooth]

I am a Charismatic Aspie who has both experienced deliverance AND been involved in deliverance ministry. My most frequently recurring gifts have been Discerning of spirits and Word of Wisdom. I am not offended at this question; it certainly must be considered. I have two children who are low-functioning autistics. Any part of me that is demonic in origin, I freely invite deliverance for, temporal benefits notwithstanding.

That being said, sometimes outsiders miss a lot of important details. As I go on, I have come to believe that autism without any other complications (a.k.a. Aspergers) may be an expression of the prophetic personality type mentioned in Romans 12:6. We have always been here. Undeveloped, we appear as geeks, nerds, etc. Professionally, we tend to be engineers, scientists and other academics.

Autism (in that sense) is not new. What is new is the increase of associated conditions found beginning in my children's generation, such as mutism, infantilism (for lack of a better word). That kind of autism (a.k.a. LFA, low-functioning autism) used to occur in 1:1000 births. Now, those numbers are 4 to 5:1000!

People from all over the spectrum frequently experience depression, suicidality, anxiety attacks, etc. When those are experienced in conjunction with autism, they are known (in psych circles) as co-morbid conditions, but they are auxiliary to autism itself (and not every Aspie/autistic has them).

It is the LFA and co-morbid features that strongly present as candidates for healing and/or deliverance. Further, both groups appear to be Aspies with complications (not non-Aspies). Studies show that LFAs frequently have family histories of mathematicians, engineers, scientists, etc. (I am a retired systems analyst.) Once an LFA experiences a necessary healing and/or deliverance, they will still likely present as a nerd, geek, engineer or prophet-type eccentric.

Aspie sensitivity to certain vaccines has been implicated in the current epidemic of LFAs from both natural and curse-borne standpoints. Not all autistics share my point-of-view.

There is so much more that I can share on this issue with fellow Charismatics, but that would probably be better via PMs.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

That is certainly fascinating. I can understand the sensitivity on the subject and certainly didn't mean to upset anybody. I only asked the question because of the experience with my daughter that night.

 

[*LILAC]

There are so many different ranges of autism. It's not a disease, it's a disorder of the brain. There are many different possible causes for it. Some are very profound, cannot control their outbursts or other behavioural issues which may seem that they could be possessed. My son is 21, moderately autistic and moderately intellectually delayed. We bring him to church, we pray, he prays, he can read his Bible that is suited to his comprehension level. We tell him he is made in the image of God. He is very calm and mellow yet very autistic. I highly DOUBT he is possessed.

 

[Sabertooth]

I only asked the question because of the experience with my daughter that night.

In the case that you described, there were probably demons that were active. We have had visiting pastors discern the same type of thing on my severely LFA daughter. They confided such with me (with no like apprehension regarding my Aspergers, I might add). Our local pastor does not subscribe to that point-of-view, so he is not moving in that direction.

 

[Sabertooth]

I highly DOUBT he is possessed.

Whenever a deliverance-oriented Christian suggests demonization, it isn't intended as a judgment. Rather, it is proposed as a diagnosis. (I am not talking about Aspergers. I am talking about troubling features.)

It is no different than a doctor determining whether an infection is viral or bacterial. Each requires a different therapy.