ATTENTION all Christians......

[EchoPneuma]

I have to wonder about # 32, somewhat. I don't really believe that Jesus himself judges or will judge us. But rather I believe that we will all, (at one time or another) be judged by His standards, or that Jesus is the measuring stick, so to speak, by which we are measured or judged.
Acts 17: 31. "Because he [God] hath appointed a day, in the which he [God] will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."

Ok, How about we make it "After death each person faces a judgement."?

That will keep it general enough for those who believe that Jesus will be the judge and for those who believe, as you do , that God the Father will be the judge.

The current list at this point: (Subject to change as the thread continues)

1There is a life beyond this physical existence.
2 God (Elohim) created mankind as male and female
3 Mankind was created for a purpose.
4 God (Elohim) has a special attachment to his children. [who these children are would certianly be a point of contention]
5 Jesus (Yeshua) is the way to the Father
6 God (Elohim) is sovereign
7 Jesus (Yeshua) is the saviour
8 We are to love God (Elohim) foremost, one another and others- (do unto others as you would have them do to you)
9 God (Elohim) wants obedience from His followers
10 Sin displeases God (Elohim)
11 God (Elohim) wants us to repent, turn away from sin and live a holy life.
12 . God (Elohim) is just
13 We are to live by faith
14. God (Elohim) wants a relationship with us
15 God (Elohim) is love
16 Love is the supreme virtue
17 God (Elohim) wants us to know His will
18 God (Elohim) will guide us, if we will let Him
19 We should obey the 10 commandments
20. Jesus (Yeshua) taught and lived the truth
21 Jesus (Yeshua) is Lord, has always been Lord and will always be Lord.
22 Jesus (Yeshua) is the resurrection and the life
23 Jesus (Yeshua) is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world
24 Jesus (Yeshua) is the Christ
25 Jesus (Yeshua) is the light of the world
26 Christians (believers) should exhibit the fruits of the Spirit
27 God (Elohim) created everything seen and unseen
28 God (Elohim) wants us to seek His will and follow it
29 Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiach) is the Word of God
30. Sin separates us from God (Elohim)
31-Jesus (Yeshua) is the Alpha and Omega
32 -After death, each person faces a judgement.

 

[Havahope]

Ok, How about we make it "After death each person faces a judgement."?

That will keep it general enough for those who believe that Jesus will be the judge and for those who believe, as you do , that God the Father will be the judge.

The current list at this point: (Subject to change as the thread continues)

1There is a life beyond this physical existence.
2 God (Elohim) created mankind as male and female
3 Mankind was created for a purpose.
4 God (Elohim) has a special attachment to his children. [who these children are would certianly be a point of contention]
5 Jesus (Yeshua) is the way to the Father
6 God (Elohim) is sovereign
7 Jesus (Yeshua) is the saviour
8 We are to love God (Elohim) foremost, one another and others- (do unto others as you would have them do to you)
9 God (Elohim) wants obedience from His followers
10 Sin displeases God (Elohim)
11 God (Elohim) wants us to repent, turn away from sin and live a holy life.
12 . God (Elohim) is just
13 We are to live by faith
14. God (Elohim) wants a relationship with us
15 God (Elohim) is love
16 Love is the supreme virtue
17 God (Elohim) wants us to know His will
18 God (Elohim) will guide us, if we will let Him
19 We should obey the 10 commandments
20. Jesus (Yeshua) taught and lived the truth
21 Jesus (Yeshua) is Lord, has always been Lord and will always be Lord.
22 Jesus (Yeshua) is the resurrection and the life
23 Jesus (Yeshua) is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world
24 Jesus (Yeshua) is the Christ
25 Jesus (Yeshua) is the light of the world
26 Christians (believers) should exhibit the fruits of the Spirit
27 God (Elohim) created everything seen and unseen
28 God (Elohim) wants us to seek His will and follow it
29 Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiach) is the Word of God
30. Sin separates us from God (Elohim)
31-Jesus (Yeshua) is the Alpha and Omega
32 -After death, each person faces a judgement.

I don't mean to sound contentious, but . . .

Ecc. 3: 14. "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16. And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17. I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there [under the sun] for every purpose and for every work.

So maybe this is why I've always read Heb. 9:27 like this:



Heb. 9: 27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this [ the appointment, not the death] the judgment:

 

[EchoPneuma]

I don't mean to sound contentious, but . . .

Ecc. 3: 14. "I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.
15. That which hath been is now; and that which is to be hath already been; and God requireth that which is past.
16. And moreover I saw under the sun the place of judgment, that wickedness was there; and the place of righteousness, that iniquity was there.
17. I said in mine heart, God shall judge the righteous and the wicked: for there is a time there [under the sun] for every purpose and for every work.

So maybe this is why I've always read Heb. 9:27 like this:



Heb. 9: 27. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this [ the appointment, not the death] the judgment:

So you don't believe there will be ANY judgement after death? What about where Paul says that "we must ALL appear before the judgement seat of Christ to give an account of ourselves for the things done WHILE IN THE BODY whether good or worthless"? Clearly this is after death....or do you see it differently?

 

[Havahope]

So you don't believe there will be ANY judgement after death? What about where Paul says that "we must ALL appear before the judgement seat of Christ to give an account of ourselves for the things done WHILE IN THE BODY whether good or worthless"? Clearly this is after death....or do you see it differently?

2Cor. 5:10 " For we must all appear before the tribunal of the Anointed, so that each one may recieve the things through the body, according to whatever was performed, whether good or bad."

Well, you know the story . . . . Context and all of that: For instance when Paul says "we", To whom was he speaking . . . . Would that not be Christians that he was addressing?


And about what?

Gal. 6: 7. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Truthfully, I cannot say that I believe that this is an after death judgement. But just as truthfully, I can say that I do not know for sure, either way.

 

[EchoPneuma]

2Cor. 5:10 " For we must all appear before the tribunal of the Anointed, so that each one may recieve the things through the body, according to whatever was performed, whether good or bad."

Well, you know the story . . . . Context and all of that: For instance when Paul says "we", To whom was he speaking . . . . Would that not be Christians that he was addressing?


And about what?

Gal. 6: 7. Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
8. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
9. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.
10. As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith.

Truthfully, I cannot say that I believe that this is an after death judgement. But just as truthfully, I can say that I do not know for sure, either way.

Ok, I will word it thusly. Here's we go.... is that general enough?

1There is a life beyond this physical existence.
2 God (Elohim) created mankind as male and female
3 Mankind was created for a purpose.
4 God (Elohim) has a special attachment to his children. [who these children are would certianly be a point of contention]
5 Jesus (Yeshua) is the way to the Father
6 God (Elohim) is sovereign
7 Jesus (Yeshua) is the saviour
8 We are to love God (Elohim) foremost, one another and others- (do unto others as you would have them do to you)
9 God (Elohim) wants obedience from His followers
10 Sin displeases God (Elohim)
11 God (Elohim) wants us to repent, turn away from sin and live a holy life.
12 . God (Elohim) is just
13 We are to live by faith
14. God (Elohim) wants a relationship with us
15 God (Elohim) is love
16 Love is the supreme virtue
17 God (Elohim) wants us to know His will
18 God (Elohim) will guide us, if we will let Him
19 We should obey the 10 commandments
20. Jesus (Yeshua) taught and lived the truth
21 Jesus (Yeshua) is Lord, has always been Lord and will always be Lord.
22 Jesus (Yeshua) is the resurrection and the life
23 Jesus (Yeshua) is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world
24 Jesus (Yeshua) is the Christ
25 Jesus (Yeshua) is the light of the world
26 Christians (believers) should exhibit the fruits of the Spirit
27 God (Elohim) created everything seen and unseen
28 God (Elohim) wants us to seek His will and follow it
29 Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiach) is the Word of God
30. Sin separates us from God (Elohim)
31-Jesus (Yeshua) is the Alpha and Omega
32 -Each person will face judgment

 

[Havahope]

Ok, I will word it thusly. Here's we go.... is that general enough?

1There is a life beyond this physical existence.
2 God (Elohim) created mankind as male and female
3 Mankind was created for a purpose.
4 God (Elohim) has a special attachment to his children. [who these children are would certianly be a point of contention]
5 Jesus (Yeshua) is the way to the Father
6 God (Elohim) is sovereign
7 Jesus (Yeshua) is the saviour
8 We are to love God (Elohim) foremost, one another and others- (do unto others as you would have them do to you)
9 God (Elohim) wants obedience from His followers
10 Sin displeases God (Elohim)
11 God (Elohim) wants us to repent, turn away from sin and live a holy life.
12 . God (Elohim) is just
13 We are to live by faith
14. God (Elohim) wants a relationship with us
15 God (Elohim) is love
16 Love is the supreme virtue
17 God (Elohim) wants us to know His will
18 God (Elohim) will guide us, if we will let Him
19 We should obey the 10 commandments
20. Jesus (Yeshua) taught and lived the truth
21 Jesus (Yeshua) is Lord, has always been Lord and will always be Lord.
22 Jesus (Yeshua) is the resurrection and the life
23 Jesus (Yeshua) is the lamb slain from the foundation of the world
24 Jesus (Yeshua) is the Christ
25 Jesus (Yeshua) is the light of the world
26 Christians (believers) should exhibit the fruits of the Spirit
27 God (Elohim) created everything seen and unseen
28 God (Elohim) wants us to seek His will and follow it
29 Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiach) is the Word of God
30. Sin separates us from God (Elohim)
31-Jesus (Yeshua) is the Alpha and Omega
32 -Each person will face judgment