Athena returned the Spear

[Hespera]

AV sez... Originally Posted by Soul Searcher

I would suspect that I was loosing my mind or the devil was playing tricks on me. Either way I would not do it and would try to stop others from doing it as well.
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Interesting.

There's a term for that: insurrection. QUOTE////////////



H sez..there probably are several terms for people who hear voices then go on a killing spree. i believe there was some some "Son of Sam" in NYC who did just that. I came across a person who says he prays ever day for word to go out and starat killing the unbelievers. We may yet hear about him in the news, tho i hope he never quite convinces himself that he has heard the "Call" to declare himself a Killer Angel.

 

[AV1611VET]

H sez..
this is like the excuse for attacking the compound in Waco and everyone is killed... that they were "abusing' children in there. Anyone who cant see that the claim there, or in the bible is anything but a disgusting excuse for wanton killing, BLAME THE VICTIM, is nor just willfully blind but morally culpable.

Not quite --- this is what we call "war".

If you read Numbers 22, you will see that the Midianites confederated with the Moabites to destroy the Jews.

You and Soul Searcher would be just what their doctor ordered.

 

[corvus_corax]

Interesting.

There's a term for that: insurrection.

God- Corvus, lead the people to this place, kill every adult and every male child.
Corvus- Kill the children?
God- Yes, except the virgin girls. You can keep them for.....ah..."indentured servitude"
Corvus- So, enslave the little virgin girls, and kill all the rest of the children
God- Yes
Corvus- Bite me. Get someone else to slaughter the children. Or better yet, sack up and do it yourself.

Gee AV, color me an insurrectionist.

 

[AV1611VET]

H sez..there probably are several terms for people who hear voices then go on a killing spree. i believe there was some some "Son of Sam" in NYC who did just that. I came across a person who says he prays ever day for word to go out and starat killing the unbelievers. We may yet hear about him in the news, tho i hope he never quite convinces himself that he has heard the "Call" to declare himself a Killer Angel.

That, of course, is your opinion.

I'm glad Moses' would not have listened to you though.

It's people with that attitude, Hespera, that dragged the Vietnam War out so long --- causing so many Americans to die.

You 'hippies and draft dodgers' burning the flag and draft cards, while the real men and women marched off to obey their Commander-in-Chief.

We finally got tired of that and came after you, only you turned tail and ran north.

So you two just keep it up --- you remind me of the Vietnam Era --- and how proud I am to be a vet.

By the way, my name, along with others, is engraved in a monument in the city I was born --- is [either of] yours?

 

[Cabal]

That, of course, is your opinion.

I'm glad Moses' would not have listened to you though.

It's people with that attitude, Hespera, that dragged the Vietnam War out so long --- causing so many Americans to die.

You 'hippies and draft dodgers' burning the flag and draft cards, while the real men and women marched off to obey their Commander-in-Chief.

We finally got tired of that and came after you, only you turned tail and ran north.

So you two just keep it up --- you remind me of the Vietnam Era --- and how proud I am to be a vet.

By the way, my name, along with others, is engraved in a monument in the city I was born --- is [either of] yours?

Wow, you revisionise EVERYTHING, don't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

Wow, you revisionise EVERYTHING, don't you?

There's nothing new under the sun, as Solomon says.

I have to believe there were people just like Hespera, Soul Searcher, and Corvus in Moses' time too.

I'm not sure how they were dealt with back then, but that's neither here nor there.

 

[Split Rock]

No, thanks --- "coward" fits better.

I wonder what you would have done at My Lai, if your commanding officer told you to slaughter everyone in the village and burn it to the ground.

 

[Cabal]

There's nothing new under the sun, as Solomon says.

I have to believe there were people just like Hespera, Soul Searcher, and Corvus in Moses' time too.

I'm not sure how they were dealt with back then, but that's neither here nor there.

Did I miss something here? Are you really making some kind of godly comparison between the Vietnam war and the Israelites slaughtering children?

(Actually bits of it do match up I suppose, My Lai anyone?)

And how exactly does having to go back to "come after" war objectors in the US mean the objectors LENGTHENED THE WAR?

 

[Hespera]

AV sez.... Originally Posted by Hespera

H sez..there probably are several terms for people who hear voices then go on a killing spree. i believe there was some some "Son of Sam" in NYC who did just that. I came across a person who says he prays ever day for word to go out and starat killing the unbelievers. We may yet hear about him in the news, tho i hope he never quite convinces himself that he has heard the "Call" to declare himself a Killer Angel.
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That, of course, is your opinion.

I'm glad Moses' would not have listened to you though.

It's people with that attitude, Hespera, that dragged the Vietnam War out so long --- causing so many Americans to die.

You 'hippies and draft dodgers' burning the flag and draft cards, while the real men and women marched off to obey their Commander-in-Chief.

We finally got tired of that and came after you, only you turned tail and ran north.

So you two just keep it up --- you remind me of the Vietnam Era --- and how proud I am to be a vet.

By the way, my name, along with others, is engraved in a monument in the city I was born --- is [either of] yours? quote////////////////

H sez.,,I hope there is a bright line distinction between hearing voices, and seeing things. If hearing voices is the next step, dont take it! I did not offer an opinion anywhere in the above. You are seeing things.

I am not going to report you for flaming but honestly...blame ME for the Viet war? i wasnt even born yet, and if I had any say i sure would never have let it start. I know a lot of vietnamese... such nice good people, why on earth did American think they had to go kill them?

Anyway, calling me a hippie and a draft dodger, saying that "we" meaning you "came after me and i ran north"....? seriously? If you want to flame make it for something that is like possible or half way real? Now, unlike your hallucinatory attempts to defame me for imaginary crimes, I actually do respect you for doing your duty, however misguided it was. And despite your mean spirited assumptions about me, if i were called to duty, i would serve. In China we believe in duty, unlike so many of your cowardly country people here. Im an American now but i still have my moral code uncorrupted by anything here.

Now, the topic before you got all personal, was that people who hear voices and go on killing sprees do exist, and while some may have been recorded in the bible as heroes... they were not. You call it WAR to deliberately kill babies? i dont think they taught you that in Vietnam, despite all the anti war propagandists and their lies.

Supporting the killing of babies, if it was in vietnam or the bible makes the supporter morally culpable. if you cant see that you may wish to reflect a bit more.

 

[Cabal]

I wonder what you would have done at My Lai, if your commanding officer told you to slaughter everyone in the village and burn it to the ground.

/thread in 3...2....

 

[Hespera]

Cabal sez...Wow, you revisionise EVERYTHING, don't you? QUOTE///////

hespera sez....AV sure revisionized MY life! I had no iea i'd got in a time macine went back 15 yrs before i was born, dodged the draft and then ran off to Canada. Weird. Maybe i should get hynotherapy, see if i can bring back the repressed memories.

Well, i often think that if some of our anti-evolution, anti science, anti-anything that isnt "fundi" people actually knew anything about the people or topics they attack, they'd have nothing to say. As it is, its all attacks on the ghosts of their own imagination. like this attack on the awful draft-dodger Min that he had to chase to Canada. Honestly........

 

[corvus_corax]

No, thanks --- "coward" fits better.

Yeah, telling God himself that I will NOT kill little boys
Yeah, I can see how that is cowardice

Or are you just redefining words again?

 

[Cabal]

Cabal sez...Wow, you revisionise EVERYTHING, don't you? QUOTE///////

hespera sez....AV sure revisionized MY life! I had no iea i'd got in a time macine went back 15 yrs before i was born, dodged the draft and then ran off to Canada. Weird. Maybe i should get hynotherapy, see if i can bring back the repressed memories.

Well, i often think that if some of our anti-evolution, anti science, anti-anything that isnt "fundi" people actually knew anything about the people or topics they attack, they'd have nothing to say. As it is, its all attacks on the ghosts of their own imagination. like this attack on the awful draft-dodger Min that he had to chase to Canada. Honestly........

lol

Hate to burst your bubble though Hesp, but I think anyone here who holds the opinion that killing children just because your boss told you to means you're a dirty hippy who hates freedom....

...in the eyes of certain people here, of course.

 

[AV1611VET]

I am not going to report you for flaming but honestly...blame ME for the Viet war?

Please don't be so vain as to think I was talking about you, personally.

I made it clear that I was talking about how others with that attitude acted in the '60s.

As to you personally, I have my own theory (that I'm entitled to) as to why I think you're here in the United States and getting married, but I plan to keep it to myself.

I don't know you that well, and frankly, it's none of my business.

 

[Split Rock]

I am not going to report you for flaming but honestly...blame ME for the Viet war? i wasnt even born yet, and if I had any say i sure would never have let it start. I know a lot of vietnamese... such nice good people, why on earth did American think they had to go kill them?

Although I think that the Vietnam War was a mistake, your characterization is unfair. The paradigm at the time was that communism was a monolithic politcal force out to destroy The West. This concept was reinforced by propaganda from the Soviet Union, and the fact that communism was spreading in the third world. We went into Vietnam to stop the spread of communism into South Vietnam and prevent North Vietnam from conquering it. The execution was proplematic, as was the wisdom in getting involved in what was for all intends and purposes a civil war in a country most Americans had no interest in, half-way around the world from us.

 

[Split Rock]

As to you personally, I have my own theory (that I'm entitled to) as to why I think you're here in the United States and getting married, but I plan to keep it to myself.

I don't know you that well, and frankly, it's none of my business.

Oh very nice, AVET. You're not going to say anything, but.......

 

[corvus_corax]

I have to believe there were people just like Hespera, Soul Searcher, and Corvus in Moses' time too.

I certainly hope you're not comparing me to a draft dodger.
You're not, right?
Right??!?

 

[Soul Searcher]

God was Moses' reconnaissance team.

He told Moses who to hit, when to hit, and where they were.

You mean according to Moses, or whoever it was who wrote it down.

According to Jesus we are to do unto others as we would have them do unto us. I do not know about you but I certianly would nto want someone to come into my town and kill everyone who is not a virgin girl and I certianly would not do it to others. If someone calling himself God came to me and told me to do such a thing I would know he was a liar and woudl send him on his way.

 

[AV1611VET]

I certainly hope you're not comparing me to a draft dodger.
You're not, right?
Right??!?

Wrong.

 

[Soul Searcher]

Interesting.

There's a term for that: insurrection.

Funny I thought it was called righteousness.. You know do unto others, love your fellow man, thou shalt not kill,