Atheists: Why don't you steal, rape, pillage, etc?

[derGroßmütige]

dG, you make a lot of unsupported assertions. For example, atheists being more likely to follow extreme political ideologies. Or most men view pornography that implies paedophilia.

Because a majority of men are regular viewers of pornography and the vast majority of pornography caters to men and uses such terms. Unfortunately, I can't find source material because the Google results are just flooded with pornography if one ever uses the terms "18 years old", "teen", "schoolgirl", "barely legal", "jailbait", and "pornography" in the same search even with the word "study" or "research" it floods it out. I'd read something on the subject, but even if there are peer-reviewed studies on the subject that can be accessed on the internet, unfortunately they are buried underneath the mountains of material with words designed to appeal to sexual appetites desiring the youngest possible females. Just try googling for it yourself. You'll get buried because there are millions of pornographic websites and the majority of pornography uses words implying barely legal youthfulness to entice male viewers.

Would you mind providing convincing citations for such assertions in future? Because otherwise we could all be forgiven for thinking that you're just making it up.

How about I just use you as my source material: you've never searched for pornography and watched porn that used terms like "teen", "schoolgirl", "18 years old", or other terms to imply women who just turned 18, etc? And can you honestly with a straight face say that if the legal age were 17 that people wouldn't shift to that? Or younger...

This is the dis-ingeniousness of the Atheists here. They will argue against a point, they themselves know is true.

As to the guy saying some of the things I said offends Christians because it implies we follow for a reason other than being "inherently good people", I would remind you all men are fallen. There are no "inherently good people" in this world. Not one. Man by definition, particularly the flesh, is "inherently evil". We can resist it by God's grace alone. Jesus Christ's example does inspire us, but it is God who gives us the power to overcome the sinful nature of the flesh.

 

[Davian]

Because a majority of men are regular viewers of pornography and the vast majority of pornography caters to men and uses such terms. Unfortunately, I can't find source material because the Google results are just flooded with pornography if one ever uses the terms "18 years old", "teen", "schoolgirl", "barely legal", "jailbait", and "pornography" in the same search even with the word "study" or "research" it floods it out. I'd read something on the subject, but even if there are peer-reviewed studies on the subject that can be accessed on the internet, unfortunately they are buried underneath the mountains of material with words designed to appeal to sexual appetites desiring the youngest possible females. Just try googling for it yourself. You'll get buried because there are millions of pornographic websites and the majority of pornography uses words implying barely legal youthfulness to entice male viewers.



How about I just use you as my source material: you've never searched for pornography and watched porn that used terms like "teen", "schoolgirl", "18 years old", or other terms to imply women who just turned 18, etc? And can you honestly with a straight face say that if the legal age were 17 that people wouldn't shift to that? Or younger...

This is the dis-ingeniousness of the Atheists here. They will argue against a point, they themselves know is true.

As to the guy saying some of the things I said offends Christians because it implies we follow for a reason other than being "inherently good people", I would remind you all men are fallen. There are no "inherently good people" in this world. Not one. Man by definition, particularly the flesh, is "inherently evil". We can resist it by God's grace alone. Jesus Christ's example does inspire us, but it is God who gives us the power to overcome the sinful nature of the flesh.

According to what you believe, is there any action that might preclude you from entering your hypothetical "Heaven", if you believe such a place exists?

 

[Oafman]

Because a majority of men are regular viewers of pornography and the vast majority of pornography caters to men and uses such terms. Unfortunately, I can't find source material because the Google results are just flooded with pornography if one ever uses the terms "18 years old", "teen", "schoolgirl", "barely legal", "jailbait",

I had a very brief look around. This site claims "Total searches for teen-related porn reached an estimated 500,000 daily in March 201— one-third of total daily searches for pornographic web sites." Pretty high but this doesn't suggest that 'most men' are conducting such searches

This is the dis-ingeniousness of the Atheists here. They will argue against a point, they themselves know is true.

I have no idea whether your porn claims were true. They sounded unrealistic, which is why I asked you to support them. Your 'atheist extreme political ideologies' claim also sounded unconvincing. You might find that one easier to google!

As to the guy saying some of the things I said offends Christians because it implies we follow for a reason other than being "inherently good people", I would remind you all men are fallen. There are no "inherently good people" in this world. Not one. Man by definition, particularly the flesh, is "inherently evil". We can resist it by God's grace alone. Jesus Christ's example does inspire us, but it is God who gives us the power to overcome the sinful nature of the flesh.

All of the millions of non Christians in the world who lead good moral lives prove you wrong

 

[The Cadet]

I steal, rape, and pillage exactly as much as I want to. I reckon that if the only thing keeping you from doing that is your belief in God, then you have ceded quite a bit of the moral high ground.

 

[Ken-1122]

What logical arguments can you have for not stealing a car if you know you can get away with it? Or robbing a bank? Or kidnapping the women you want who rejects you?

Nothing frightens me more than the person who would commit every atrocity imaginable if it weren't for their religion; and their religion is barely holding them back

Ken

 

[FullEnglishBrekkie]

Nothing frightens me more than the person who would commit every atrocity imaginable if it weren't for their religion; and their religion is barely holding them back

Ken

Hi Ken

What worries me a bit more than that are the people who do commit atrocities "because of their religion".

 

[bhsmte]

Because a majority of men are regular viewers of pornography and the vast majority of pornography caters to men and uses such terms. Unfortunately, I can't find source material because the Google results are just flooded with pornography if one ever uses the terms "18 years old", "teen", "schoolgirl", "barely legal", "jailbait", and "pornography" in the same search even with the word "study" or "research" it floods it out. I'd read something on the subject, but even if there are peer-reviewed studies on the subject that can be accessed on the internet, unfortunately they are buried underneath the mountains of material with words designed to appeal to sexual appetites desiring the youngest possible females. Just try googling for it yourself. You'll get buried because there are millions of pornographic websites and the majority of pornography uses words implying barely legal youthfulness to entice male viewers.



How about I just use you as my source material: you've never searched for pornography and watched porn that used terms like "teen", "schoolgirl", "18 years old", or other terms to imply women who just turned 18, etc? And can you honestly with a straight face say that if the legal age were 17 that people wouldn't shift to that? Or younger...

This is the dis-ingeniousness of the Atheists here. They will argue against a point, they themselves know is true.

As to the guy saying some of the things I said offends Christians because it implies we follow for a reason other than being "inherently good people", I would remind you all men are fallen. There are no "inherently good people" in this world. Not one. Man by definition, particularly the flesh, is "inherently evil". We can resist it by God's grace alone. Jesus Christ's example does inspire us, but it is God who gives us the power to overcome the sinful nature of the flesh.

Why is it, that countries with the most atheists, tend to have the highest quality of life:

-low crime rates
-higher education
-less poverty

And by the way, the bible belt in the US has some of highest viewing of pornography.

 

[FullEnglishBrekkie]

Unfortunately, I can't find source material because the Google results are just flooded with pornography if one ever uses the terms "18 years old", "teen", "schoolgirl", "barely legal", "jailbait", and "pornography" in the same search even with the word "study" or "research" it floods it out. I'd read something on the subject, but even if there are peer-reviewed studies on the subject that can be accessed on the internet, unfortunately they are buried underneath the mountains of material with words designed to appeal to sexual appetites desiring the youngest possible females. Just try googling for it yourself. You'll get buried because there are millions of pornographic websites and the majority of pornography uses words implying barely legal youthfulness to entice male viewers..

You have seen more porn than I have, then!

 

[The Cadet]

Why is it, that countries with the most atheists, tend to have the highest quality of life:

-low crime rates
-higher education
-less poverty

And by the way, the bible belt in the US has some of highest viewing of pornography.

The causation is backwards, IMO. People with a lower quality of life tend to reach to the supernatural out of desperation, from my experience.

 

[bhsmte]

The causation is backwards, IMO. People with a lower quality of life tend to reach to the supernatural out of desperation, from my experience.

I was just referring to correlation, not causation.

There are strong correlations between:

Countries with lower beliefs in Gods and higher quality of life.

People with higher levels of education and lower belief in religions and Gods.

People who live in third world countries with high poverty and crime having higher beliefs in a God.

 

[derGroßmütige]

I had a very brief look around. This site claims "Total searches for teen-related porn reached an estimated 500,000 daily in March 201— one-third of total daily searches for pornographic web sites." Pretty high but this doesn't suggest that 'most men' are conducting such searches

Are you insane? You just proved my point. That's one third of daily SEARCHES. And you do realize Google doesn't limit people to one search per day, right? And that's just "teen-related" it doesn't necessarily include other words that imply extreme youthfulness. You do realize they could then search for something else? Like type in "blonde women" in a second search after that first one,etc. Learn to use data correctly please before citing it.

I have no idea whether your porn claims were true. They sounded unrealistic, which is why I asked you to support them. Your 'atheist extreme political ideologies' claim also sounded unconvincing. You might find that one easier to google!


All of the millions of non Christians in the world who lead good moral lives prove you wrong

First of all, NO ONE leads a "good moral life". They lie and hide their vileness as I was explaining with the previous points. To understand this, use math.

A good person (+) x telling the truth (+) = looks good (+)
An evil person (-) x telling a lie (-) = looks good (+)

Why is it, that countries with the most atheists, tend to have the highest quality of life:

-low crime rates
-higher education
-less poverty

This is because studies have shown that mostly middle-to-upper class white folks are Atheists. Similar to how Libertarians (who are also the most atheist political group but this could be from being in the same demo and I consider them one of the extremist ideologies) are overwhelmingly white middle-to-upper class, some studies found literally zero percent of blacks were libertarian for example, and only 0.5% of blacks are Atheist (1 in 200).

And I am not ascribing this to race, but rather to poverty itself. You have the luxury of being an atheist due to your sheltered, wealthy upbringing. As do the more prominently atheist countries (like the Czech Republic and France) where they have relative luxury, a comfortable socialist safety net, etc.

 

[JGG]

This is because studies have shown that mostly middle-to-upper class white folks are Atheists. Similar to how Libertarians (who are also the most atheist political group but this could be from being in the same demo and I consider them one of the extremist ideologies) are overwhelmingly white middle-to-upper class, some studies found literally zero percent of blacks were libertarian for example, and only 0.5% of blacks are Atheist (1 in 200).

And I am not ascribing this to race, but rather to poverty itself. You have the luxury of being an atheist due to your sheltered, wealthy upbringing. As do the more prominently atheist countries (like the Czech Republic and France) where they have relative luxury, a comfortable socialist safety net, etc.

Well, that certainly can be turned back around. Are you suggesting that theists only believe in God because they are poor and struggling?

Also, you are assuming that those who are wealthy have the luxury to be atheist. But that's conflating causation and correlation. Let's consider other cause and effect relationships: Perhaps atheists are just more successful people. Perhaps atheists have more or better education. Or perhaps those who have more or better education become atheists. Rather than assuming that those who are unsuccessful simply turn to god, maybe theists are just unsuccessful by nature. Maybe theists get a poorer education, or perhaps those who are less educated are theists. Lots to choose from there, and there may be a multitude of other factors such as raw intelligence.

 

[bhsmte]

Are you insane? You just proved my point. That's one third of daily SEARCHES. And you do realize Google doesn't limit people to one search per day, right? And that's just "teen-related" it doesn't necessarily include other words that imply extreme youthfulness. You do realize they could then search for something else? Like type in "blonde women" in a second search after that first one,etc. Learn to use data correctly please before citing it.



First of all, NO ONE leads a "good moral life". They lie and hide their vileness as I was explaining with the previous points. To understand this, use math.

A good person (+) x telling the truth (+) = looks good (+)
An evil person (-) x telling a lie (-) = looks good (+)



This is because studies have shown that mostly middle-to-upper class white folks are Atheists. Similar to how Libertarians (who are also the most atheist political group but this could be from being in the same demo and I consider them one of the extremist ideologies) are overwhelmingly white middle-to-upper class, some studies found literally zero percent of blacks were libertarian for example, and only 0.5% of blacks are Atheist (1 in 200).

And I am not ascribing this to race, but rather to poverty itself. You have the luxury of being an atheist due to your sheltered, wealthy upbringing. As do the more prominently atheist countries (like the Czech Republic and France) where they have relative luxury, a comfortable socialist safety net, etc.

In essence, you appear to understand, being religious, has nothing to do with being moral.

 

[derGroßmütige]

Well, that certainly can be turned back around. Are you suggesting that theists only believe in God because they are poor and struggling?

The most successful people in the world are theists. Indeed most of the top richest people on Earth are theist, and Christian in particular (Bill Gates, Peter Thiel, Carlos Slim, Amancio Ortega, etc.) or agnostic (Warren Buffett, etc.). Indeed, even the most liberal of the billionaires are Christians even, like Jeff Bezos (although he is discreet about his faith). There are very few atheists, the "richest" atheist is supposedly Larry Page, but he is actually a secular agnostic Jew. So there is literally only one known billionaire atheist in all of the top 50, and that's George Soros who is basically viewed as the devil by many on the right in the USA, and who is known as an "economic war criminal" in many countries for currency manipulation (an example of an atheist willing to take billions if he can get away with it, which was the point of my thread, thanks for helping me find it!) and as the man who "broke the Bank of England" causing financial destitution and economic crisis for his own personal benefit. Not the best example for atheists, but a perfect example of what I was talking about in this thread.

Soros, as an atheist, was working logically to profit himself even when it meant entire nations would suffer. Funny how all the other billionaires, who easily could engage in currency manipulation and earn billions at any time by plundering third-world countries, choose not to, but Soros the only atheist among them, did such a heinous crime.

 

[bhsmte]

The most successful people in the world are theists. Indeed most of the top richest people on Earth are theist, and Christian in particular (Bill Gates, Peter Thiel, Carlos Slim, Amancio Ortega, etc.) or agnostic (Warren Buffett, etc.). Indeed, even the most liberal of the billionaires are Christians even, like Jeff Bezos (although he is discreet about his faith). There are very few atheists, the "richest" atheist is supposedly Larry Page, but he is actually a secular agnostic Jew. So there is literally only one known billionaire atheist in all of the top 50, and that's George Soros who is basically viewed as the devil by many on the right in the USA, and who is known as an "economic war criminal" in many countries for currency manipulation (an example of an atheist willing to take billions if he can get away with it, which was the point of my thread, thanks for helping me find it!) and as the man who "broke the Bank of England" causing financial destitution and economic crisis for his own personal benefit. Not the best example for atheists, but a perfect example of what I was talking about in this thread.

Soros, as an atheist, was working logically to profit himself even when it meant entire nations would suffer. Funny how all the other billionaires, who easily could engage in currency manipulation and earn billions at any time by plundering third-world countries, choose not to, but Soros the only atheist among them, did such a heinous crime.

This could be viewed as similar to Mao, Stalin, and other atheists who profited themselves at an entire nation's expense.

When it comes to the far religious right in the United States, just about everyone that disagrees with them is considered the devil.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The most successful people in the world are theists. Indeed most of the top richest people on Earth are theist, and Christian in particular (Bill Gates, Peter Thiel, Carlos Slim, Amancio Ortega, etc.) or agnostic (Warren Buffett, etc.). Indeed, even the most liberal of the billionaires are Christians even, like Jeff Bezos (although he is discreet about his faith). There are very few atheists, the "richest" atheist is supposedly Larry Page, but he is actually a secular agnostic Jew. So there is literally only one known billionaire atheist in all of the top 50, and that's George Soros who is basically viewed as the devil by many on the right in the USA, and who is known as an "economic war criminal" in many countries for currency manipulation (an example of an atheist willing to take billions if he can get away with it, which was the point of my thread, thanks for helping me find it!) and as the man who "broke the Bank of England" causing financial destitution and economic crisis for his own personal benefit. Not the best example for atheists, but a perfect example of what I was talking about in this thread.

Soros, as an atheist, was working logically to profit himself even when it meant entire nations would suffer. Funny how all the other billionaires, who easily could engage in currency manipulation and earn billions at any time by plundering third-world countries, choose not to, but Soros the only atheist among them, did such a heinous crime.

By what tortured logic are you able to draw a connection between Soros' actions and atheism? Yes, some atheists are jerks. We know that. Some religious folk are jerks also. What point are trying to make here?

 

[JGG]

The most successful people in the world are theists. Indeed most of the top richest people on Earth are theist, and Christian in particular (Bill Gates, Peter Thiel, Carlos Slim, Amancio Ortega, etc.) or agnostic (Warren Buffett, etc.). Indeed, even the most liberal of the billionaires are Christians even, like Jeff Bezos (although he is discreet about his faith). There are very few atheists, the "richest" atheist is supposedly Larry Page, but he is actually a secular agnostic Jew. So there is literally only one known billionaire atheist in all of the top 50, and that's George Soros who is basically viewed as the devil by many on the right in the USA, and who is known as an "economic war criminal" in many countries for currency manipulation (an example of an atheist willing to take billions if he can get away with it, which was the point of my thread, thanks for helping me find it!) and as the man who "broke the Bank of England" causing financial destitution and economic crisis for his own personal benefit. Not the best example for atheists, but a perfect example of what I was talking about in this thread.

Soros, as an atheist, was working logically to profit himself even when it meant entire nations would suffer. Funny how all the other billionaires, who easily could engage in currency manipulation and earn billions at any time by plundering third-world countries, choose not to, but Soros the only atheist among them, did such a heinous crime.

So, for the sake of argument let's say rich and successful people are for the most part Christian. That's basically what your post says. Didn't you just say that people are atheist because they are wealthy and have the luxury of not believing in God?

So, which is it?

 

[JGG]

By what tortured logic are you able to draw a connection between Soros' actions and atheism? Yes, some atheists are jerks. We know that. Some religious folk are jerks also. What point are trying to make here?

Christians are taught that atheists are akin to demons. That's why they hate us.

 

[derGroßmütige]

By what tortured logic are you able to draw a connection between Soros' actions and atheism? Yes, some atheists are jerks. We know that. Some religious folk are jerks also. What point are trying to make here?

*sigh* please read the first post before you comment. The whole point of this thread was about how it is logical for atheists to take what they want if they can get away with it. And then he tried to mention that atheists are more succesful, so I pointed out almost all of the top 50 billionaires are theists or agnostic, and then I discovered the ONE atheist, George Soros, proves the point of this thread: he chose to commit "economic war crimes" as some called it, to earn billions in profit for himself by harming entire nations. I was pointing out he was being entirely logical as an atheist (and that almost NONE of the other top 50 who are theist and agnostic engaged in that practice even though they could earn billions and get away with it) and proving my point in the thread.

 

[derGroßmütige]

And you know it's funny how ChristianForums is dominated by atheists even though they are like 5% of the population they make up like 70% of this Christian forum. How can you explain that? It's like you are all missionaries for your anti-religion religion. Like something in your soul is driving you to have a desire to force your viewpoints onto others so you spend all day on the ChristianForums trying to convert Christians into Atheists... what irony!