Atheists out of control!!!

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

So...you don't agree?

With what? Every single thing Jefferson did? I don't agree with every single thing any President ever did.

I also don't agree with the use of Public funds to build Churches, and fund Missionaries. But this is the man where the phrase Separation of Church and State comes from. It is not in the Constitution. It is in A PRIVATE LETTER Jefferson wrote to a Church! Not only that, his statement has been taken out of context as well. The SCOTUS might as well have said the 500th amendment says that there is separation of Church and State, it would have been just as dishonest and ridiculous.

US Supreme Court wrongly attributed this to the Constitution. That is not the only mistake they have made. They have also said that black people and unborn children are not persons thus authoring two separate atrocities which resulted in the loss of millions upon millions of lives.

 

[Cute Tink]

We are already doing this. Incest and bestiality are illegal in some states. Murder is illegal as well. There are many laws we have that are based on Biblical laws and many of are historic buildings are embellished with Christian Symbolism. For instance The Supreme Court building has Moses and the Ten Commandments on it.

I somehow knew that this would come up after I said that.

Most of the laws on the books have secular reasons for keeping them. Murder is not on the books simply because it is in the Bible. Allowing people to wantonly off people whenever they feel like it is not something the promotes a cohesive and productive society. This is the same for so many of our laws.

To argue that most of our laws wouldn't exist without the Bible is a bit disingenuous.

 

[JGG]

With what? Every single thing Jefferson did? I don't agree with every single thing any President ever did.

I also don't agree with the use of Public funds to build Churches, and fund Missionaries. But this is the man where the phrase Separation of Church and State comes from. It is not in the Constitution. It is in A PRIVATE LETTER Jefferson wrote to a Church!

Furthermore the US Supreme Court wrongly attributed this to the Constitution.

Not entirely, the Supreme Court used the Establishment Clause. It seems to me the "Separation of Church and State" line, was used to determine the intent of the Establishment Clause. It has become a popular phrase since as a result.

That is not the only mistake they have made. They have also said that black people and unborn children are not persons thus authoring two separate atrocities which resulted in the loss of millions upon millions of lives.

Yeah, and corporations are legally people. You can disagree with the Supreme Court until you grow wings, but they determine legality.

 

[Wearecommandedtojudge]

Yeah, and corporations are legally people. You can disagree with the Supreme Court until you grow wings, but they determine legality.

So then every so called "Black Person" in the 19th century was not a real person but an animal and killing them was not murder?

The German Supreme Court stated that Jews where not persons in 1936. Therefor according to you none of those deaths were murders because the Jews were not persons under German Law?

Also was it legal or illegal when we broke are treaties with the Indians...the many times this happened.

We as a Nation should repent to God for these things.

 

[JGG]

So then every so called "Black Person" in the 19th century was not a real person but an animal and killing them was not murder?

Legally? Apparently not. Again, I can disagree with the Supreme Court all I want. That alone doesn't change the law, and certainly doesn't turn back time.

The German Supreme Court stated that Jews where not persons in 1936. Therefor according to you none of those deaths were murders because the Jews were not persons under German Law?

No, according to the German Supreme Court, none of those deaths were murders. According to me, it was a heinous act of ignorance and hate. But I don't set the laws in Germany in 1936. That's just a sad fact.

Also was it legal or illegal when we broke are treaties with the Indians...the many times this happened.

There was no legal system covering the area at that time. I suppose it was neither. But I'm not an 18th century lawyer.

We as a Nation should repent to God for these things.

I don't really believe in God, but you go ahead. I'm just trying to not make the same mistakes again.

 

[Habbit Animal]

Wow. That's fantastic.

When you say religious freedom, you mean just for Christians? Or everybody is free to worship Christ?

Wow! That's typical!


Did you read me to say, just Christians?
Though it appears to be just the Christians that the satanic militant godless target.
Can't imagine why. Can't be because they think the, 'turn the other cheek' and 'love your enemies' edicts of Christ would let the godless infer they're pacifists and wouldn't dare fight back.
As opposed to Muslims who we rarely hear of the godless targeting because, well, they don't tend to follow that same rule.

 

[Habbit Animal]

And just so the atheists here know, this forum is for non-denominational CHRISTIANS!
What part of, "Christian Communities" don't you understand?
Save for showing us the example the OP sets forth as to the agenda of Atheists!

 

[tremble]

No, the idea of privilege is that two groups cannot have it. One does, one does not. It means that one group stands above all others.

It's irrational to suggest that two groups cannot enjoy the same privilege.

Of course they do. I agree with the OP that it is ridiculous that a museum should not be able to display something historic. A Cross, a Crescent Moon, a Star of David, a Swastika, it doesn't matter. It's going into a museum, the government is not endorsing it.

I didn't realize that. Thanks for clarifying.

What I am saying is that Christians should not get preferential treatment from a government that is supposed to represent me as much as them. And no, it doesn't.

Staying within the context of the thread, can you explain the preferential treatment that Christians got and you did not? Did you attempt to set up an atheist based memorial at the 9/11 site, or attempt to submit some kind of atheist based memorial to the museum and were rejected?

If not, then what are you basing this preferential treatment argument on, within the context of this story?

 

[JGG]

Wow! That's typical!


Did you read me to say, just Christians?
Though it appears to be just the Christians that the satanic militant godless target.
Can't imagine why. Can't be because they think the, 'turn the other cheek' and 'love your enemies' edicts of Christ would let the godless infer they're pacifists and wouldn't dare fight back.
As opposed to Muslims who we rarely hear of the godless targeting because, well, they don't tend to follow that same rule.

No, because in our society Muslims, like Jews, Scientologists, and Satanists, do not hold much social or political power. As I said before, we live in a society of Christian privilege that many of us do not wish to live under anymore. We wish to be regarded as equals. Seeing as you questionably refer to us as the "satanic militant godless" that seems out of the question.

And just so the atheists here know, this forum is for non-denominational CHRISTIANS!
What part of, "Christian Communities" don't you understand?
Save for showing us the example the OP sets forth as to the agenda of Atheists!

I'm sorry. Did we interrupt you gossiping behind our backs?

Please, explain to me the "agenda of Atheists!" I've already "been schooled" on myself in this thread, I suppose it might as well continue.

 

[tremble]

BTW did you guys know that the phrase Separation of Church and State is found nowhere in the Constitution? It was coined by Thomas Jefferson. A Baptist Church sent him a letter because they were worried that they would be discriminated against because their beliefs were unpopular. He wrote back describing a "Wall of Separation of Church and State"...which btw was a one dimensional wall designed to keep the State out of the Churches business and not the other way around.

This would be the same Thomas Jefferson who used public funds to support missionaries to the Indians and to build Churches.

I did not know that. Interesting observation.

 

[Habbit Animal]

I'm sorry. Did we interrupt you gossiping behind our backs?

Please, explain to me the "agenda of Atheists!" I've already "been schooled" on myself in this thread, I suppose it might as well continue.

It's not behind anyone's back when it is in a public forum. Please make yourself familiar with the rules of the forum.

Congregational Forum Restrictions, Christian Only Forums, and Off-Topic posts
Do not teach or debate in any Congregational Forum unless you are truly a member and share its core beliefs and teachings. Questions and fellowship are allowed, proselytizing is not.

Do not post in the forums reserved for Christians only, unless you are truly a Nicene Creed, Trinitarian Christian (please see our Statement of Faith to know exactly what that is). If you wish to discuss unorthodox doctrines, you may do so in Unorthodox Theology.

Respect and become familiar with each forum's Statement of Purpose. Start threads that are relevant to that forum's stated purpose; submit replies that are relevant to the topic of discussion. Off Topic posts will be moved or removed.

 

[JGG]

It's irrational to suggest that two groups cannot enjoy the same privilege.

Right. But then one group would not be privileged. I suppose atheists and Christians could both share a privilege, but then other groups would be missing out.

You understand I mean privilege in terms of social inequality, yes?

I didn't realize that. Thanks for clarifying.

Staying within the context of the thread, can you explain the preferential treatment that Christians got and you did not?

Well for instance, I cannot hold public office in Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, or Texas. It is against their constitutions.

Did you attempt to set up an atheist based memorial at the 9/11 site, or attempt to submit some kind of atheist based memorial to the museum and were rejected?

No, like I said, I do not particularly care about the 9/11 memorial.

If not, then what are you basing this preferential treatment argument on, within the context of this story?

I'm not. I am agreeing that the exhibit described in the OP does not demonstrate the types of preferential treatment I am against, and am perfectly happy to have a museum display a cross.

 

[tremble]

I also don't agree with the use of Public funds to build Churches, and fund Missionaries.

I agree with it for a couple of reasons. The idea of the "church" is meant to be a congregation of people dedicated to helping others around them. Unfortunately, the concept of Church today is more about the church itself and personalities within the church rather than about helping people. Though, once again, with missionaries it's become more about promoting the church rather than helping people regardless of church affiliation.

If democratically elected leaders with an agenda to promote the good that churchs and missionaries are meant to achieve decide to act on that agenda, so what? If the people don't want it they will either not vote for that politician or vote him/her out at the next election.

For the people who voted against that person, well, that's democracy. If you feel strongly enough about it, you have the option to NOT pay the taxes which will be used to support those causes.

 

[JGG]

It's not behind anyone's back when it is in a public forum. Please make yourself familiar with the rules of the forum.

Oh, you just want to complain about atheists, without atheists interjecting, objecting or clarifying. Conveniet.

Congregational Forum Restrictions, Christian Only Forums, and Off-Topic posts
Do not teach or debate in any Congregational Forum unless you are truly a member and share its core beliefs and teachings. Questions and fellowship are allowed, proselytizing is not.

I am not teaching, debating, or proselytizing atheism. Nor am I debating against Christianity or any of it's teachings. I think perhaps the constitutional questions got a bit of topic, but the topic is basically: Atheists. How much do we hate them? I think I have managed to pretty much stay on topic.

Do not post in the forums reserved for Christians only, unless you are truly a Nicene Creed, Trinitarian Christian (please see our Statement of Faith to know exactly what that is). If you wish to discuss unorthodox doctrines, you may do so in Unorthodox Theology.

Ah yes, but this does not appear to be a Christians Only forum. Nope, that label appears to be absent.

Respect and become familiar with each forum's Statement of Purpose. Start threads that are relevant to that forum's stated purpose; submit replies that are relevant to the topic of discussion. Off Topic posts will be moved or removed.

Have I violated the statement of purpose in some way (other than participating in a thread which violates the statement of purpose)?

 

[abysmul]

Why don't these people go live in North Korea? They'd be so much happier there.

Just wanted to say in reply to that: bravo!

 

[tremble]

Right. But then one group would not be privileged. I suppose atheists and Christians could both share a privilege, but then other groups would be missing out.

You understand I mean privilege in terms of social inequality, yes?

It seems you've given an example separate from what the OP was upset about so I'll address that.

Well for instance, I cannot hold public office in Arkansas, Maryland, Mississippi, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Tennessee, or Texas. It is against their constitutions.

I'm assuming that's because those constitutions clearly stipulate that the job holder must be Christian, is that right?

If that's the case, then I still don't see your problem. All groups have the right to make demands of it's members to govern inclusion in that group. If you do not want to follow the rules of the group, then it makes sense that the group will not want you to be a part of that group. That is not inequality.

 

[JGG]

It seems you've given an example separate from what the OP was upset about so I'll address that.

I would say parallel to.

I'm assuming that's because those constitutions clearly stipulate that the job holder must be Christian, is that right?

Just not atheist or agnostic.

If that's the case, then I still don't see your problem. All groups have the right to make demands of it's members to govern inclusion in that group. If you do not want to follow the rules of the group, then it makes sense that the group will not want you to be a part of that group. That is not inequality.

That is inequality. Suppose Americans decide that they do not want Jews as citizens? Is that also reasonable? If they don't like the group's rules, they should move right? If African-Americans didn't like Separate-but-Equal they should have left. If women wanted the right to vote, they could have moved to Canada.

So you agree that atheists should not be allowed to hold public office?

 

[tremble]

Is that also reasonable?

Can you explain why it's unreasonable for a state to set standards on what kind of leaders they want?

 

[Habbit Animal]

This obsession with striking any mention of religion from the public square has blinded many atheists to the fact that they've become exactly what they've accused Christians of being for years - holier-than-thou zealots who want to impose their beliefs on others and cannot abide anyone having a different point of view (unless of course they keep it to themselves).

Why don't these people go live in North Korea? They'd be so much happier there.
Either that or get a real purpose in life.

~ The internet Christians

Because their mission was accomplished there. Now, on to the rest of the free religious world.

That's why. Militant atheists want to make America like north Korea.
Notice though how they want to outlaw religious expression in America, but they don't respect the rules that govern the religious forums in this community? They don't respect the boundaries that surround a Christian community discussion area. They trespass and interject their godless agenda even here.

The perfect metaphor for their will and intent in the world at large as they push their agenda in the microcosm and the macrocosm.

 

[BryanW92]

So, you're using yourself as the basis for all atheists. As an atheist, what was your favourite colour?

Is everyone here okay with me using BryanW92's words as the basis of all Christians' opinions? BryanW92 says x, therefore all Christians think x?

I'm mostly just reading your posts to figure you out. The anger that you show as you lash out at the Christians in this Christian forum is obvious. Actually, when I did not believe in God, I didn't seek out Christians to attack them. But, I was a true atheist.

But, you are angry at everything we say. Your posts have degenerated as this thread continues, as it does every time you show up in a thread to stop us "from talking behind your back."

If your atheism is go great and fulfilling, then go and live your life. We don't care until you try to use the power of government to stop us from doing something. Using only examples FROM YOUR LIFETIME, tell me what Christians have forced upon you using our "privilege"?