Atheists out of control!!!

[JGiddings]

Just read this...I have no words.

Atheists want iconic 17-foot cross removed from 9/11 museum | Fox News

 

[Nani-Day]

This obsession with striking any mention of religion from the public square has blinded many atheists to the fact that they've become exactly what they've accused Christians of being for years - holier-than-thou zealots who want to impose their beliefs on others and cannot abide anyone having a different point of view (unless of course they keep it to themselves).

Why don't these people go live in North Korea? They'd be so much happier there.
Either that or get a real purpose in life.

~ The internet Christians

 

[tremble]

Why don't these people go live in North Korea? They'd be so much happier there.

Haha

Many atheists say they are atheists because they don't have any proof of God's existence, but in an existence with so much complex creation all around us, it isn't so hard to understand that if there is a clock, there must be some kind of clock maker.

I believe many atheists are intelligent enough to understand this, but that deep down it's not really about proof of existence (or a supposed lack of it) but rather, they just don't like the idea of being told what to do, especially if they don't particularly like what they are being told what to do.

If they really believed there was no God, then why all the fuss over symbolism? Every Christmas it's possible to find Santa decorations just about everywhere in the US, including a myriad of government institutions. It's almost certain that these same atheists do not believe in the existence of a real, live Santa, and yet where are the protests about his image being used to decorate so much around them?

Maybe it's because Santa doesn't make any demands of them or have any expectations for how they should live their lives?

 

[miamited]

Hi jgiddings,

And you expected that atheists would somehow be different than that?

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted.

 

[Charbel7]

I'm atheist but i wouldn't do such a horrible thing, Really disrespectful and immature.

 

[miamited]

I'm atheist but i wouldn't do such a horrible thing, Really disrespectful and immature.

Hi charbel,

Yes, unfortunately just as with christians there are those with different attitudes, understandings and plans. There are christians who believe and work toward ridding the world of all those beliefs and understandings that are not in agreement with theirs and there are atheists with the exact same agenda.

God bless you.
In Christ, Ted

 

[JGG]

I don't get it. It's a museum, right? There's lots of things in museums that aren't endorsed by governments, including crosses.

It seems like a fairly ridiculous campaign. It is Fox News though, so I say this in principle.

 

[JGG]

Haha

Many atheists say they are atheists because they don't have any proof of God's existence, but in an existence with so much complex creation all around us, it isn't so hard to understand that if there is a clock, there must be some kind of clock maker.

I believe many atheists are intelligent enough to understand this, but that deep down it's not really about proof of existence (or a supposed lack of it) but rather, they just don't like the idea of being told what to do, especially if they don't particularly like what they are being told what to do.

If they really believed there was no God, then why all the fuss over symbolism? Every Christmas it's possible to find Santa decorations just about everywhere in the US, including a myriad of government institutions. It's almost certain that these same atheists do not believe in the existence of a real, live Santa, and yet where are the protests about his image being used to decorate so much around them?

Maybe it's because Santa doesn't make any demands of them or have any expectations for how they should live their lives?

I have no problem with religious symbolism, as long as I'm not paying with it through my taxes. If it was Islamic symbolism, you wouldn't want to either. If you want to pay for a Christian monument for your front lawn, that's fine with me, as long as you're fine with the family down the street putting up monument to Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or yes, Satanism.

Even if a store wants to put up such decorations, and symbolism, I'm fine with it. However, employees who are not Christian should not be forced to wish others a Merry Christmas. And I think it's ridiculous when shoppers threaten boycott, if a store does not have enough Christmas decorations on display, or if someone says "Happy Holidays."

I say this not as an atheist, but as someone who is part of a Jewish family. These people would like to be recognized as important as well.

I don't care too much.

 

[Charbel7]

I have no problem with religious symbolism, as long as I'm not paying with it through my taxes. If it was Islamic symbolism, you wouldn't want to either. If you want to pay for a Christian monument for your front lawn, that's fine with me, as long as you're fine with the family down the street putting up monument to Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or yes, Satanism.

Even if a store wants to put up such decorations, and symbolism, I'm fine with it. However, employees who are not Christian should not be forced to wish others a Merry Christmas. And I think it's ridiculous when shoppers threaten boycott, if a store does not have enough Christmas decorations on display, or if someone says "Happy Holidays."

I say this not as an atheist, but as someone who is part of a Jewish family. These people would like to be recognized as important as well.

I don't care too much.

Jewish Atheists.. Seriously? You are living in a Democratic country, You want to work in a place that has Christians you should respect them and respect their religion.

If you don't like it you can leave and go to Israel, Israel forces Christians and Muslims to respect their religion, so you want the USA that is originally christian to follow your own views? Not really.

 

[BryanW92]

And you expected that atheists would somehow be different than that?

Actually, I would. When I was an atheist, I just snickered at the Christians (and Muslims and Jews...and if I had known any, druids, Odin-worshipers, and Wiccans) for their silly superstitions. The cross didn't offend me because it meant nothing to me.

And that's the "atheists" problem today. The cross means something to them and they hate that.

 

[tremble]

And that's the "atheists" problem today. The cross means something to them and they hate that.

And yet they don't hate Santa or the flying spaghetti monster. Your explanation seems overly simplified. Personally, I think they dislike what the cross represents because there IS meaning in it; they just don't like the meaning. Some people just don't like being told to repent or made to feel that they've done anything wrong in their lives.

If you don't like it you can leave and go to Israel, Israel forces Christians and Muslims to respect their religion, so you want the USA that is originally christian to follow your own views? Not really.

I think we're all probably aware that we can leave anytime we like if we are uncomfortable with something being said here, though sometimes it's more enjoyable to stay and discuss the issues calmly even if we disagree with other's point of view.

I have no problem with religious symbolism, as long as I'm not paying with it through my taxes.

I hear you and I think that's fair enough. However, the cross is a piece of wreckage that was found in the debris; it wasn't a specially commissioned decoration paid for by taxpayers. Actually, considering that bit of information and the context of the story, you and other atheists, as tax payers, have probably funded the building of hundreds of millions of crosses all over the US any time two pieces of material of any kind touch one another in the shape of a crucifix.

Although, even then it's unclear if you helped pay for this particular cross, since I don't know if the government funded the construction of the tower from where this bit of debris came from.

If it was Islamic symbolism, you wouldn't want to either. If you want to pay for a Christian monument for your front lawn, that's fine with me, as long as you're fine with the family down the street putting up monument to Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or yes, Satanism.

That depends. if it was just an expression of their faith/idealism or whatever I'd probably be okay with it, but if it was something that was deliberately designed to mock God or in some other way belittle him, then I'd have a problem with it.

However, employees who are not Christian should not be forced to wish others a Merry Christmas.

Agreed.

And I think it's ridiculous when shoppers threaten boycott, if a store does not have enough Christmas decorations on display, or if someone says "Happy Holidays."

Agreed again, though I wonder why the atheists are not complaining about the Santa decorations in government buildings with the same fervor they do about the cross.

 

[tremble]

Quote from the lawyer representing the atheists:

In arguments before the U.S. Court of Appeals in Manhattan, American Atheist’s lawyer Edwin Kagin said his organization is seeking a similar object to be displayed at the museum, something like a plaque that would say “atheists died here, too,”

“We’re arguing for equal treatment in some way, whatever that might be,” Kagin said after the hearing.

It's interesting that the atheists themselves don't quite know what they really want. They appear to want the world to know that atheists also died, but I can't see that anyone is denying that atheists died there. If that's what they want to promote, there hardly seems any need to force another group to remove their own symbolism in order to achieve what they want.

Go find a piece of wreckage to symbolize atheism as ask to have it included in the museum just like the Christians did.

 

[Charbel7]

And yet they don't hate Santa or the flying spaghetti monster. Your explanation seems overly simplified. Personally, I think they dislike what the cross represents because there IS meaning in it; they just don't like the meaning. Some people just don't like being told to repent or made to feel that they've done anything wrong in their lives.



I think we're all probably aware that we can leave anytime we like if we are uncomfortable with something being said here, though sometimes it's more enjoyable to stay and discuss the issues calmly even if we disagree with other's point of view.



I hear you and I think that's fair enough. However, the cross is a piece of wreckage that was found in the debris; it wasn't a specially commissioned decoration paid for by taxpayers. Actually, considering that bit of information and the context of the story, you and other atheists, as tax payers, have probably funded the building of hundreds of millions of crosses all over the US any time two pieces of material of any kind touch one another in the shape of a crucifix.

Although, even then it's unclear if you helped pay for this particular cross, since I don't know if the government funded the construction of the tower from where this bit of debris came from.



That depends. if it was just an expression of their faith/idealism or whatever I'd probably be okay with it, but if it was something that was deliberately designed to mock God or in some other way belittle him, then I'd have a problem with it.



Agreed.



Agreed again, though I wonder why the atheists are not complaining about the Santa decorations in government buildings with the same fervor they do about the cross.

What if i say i don't agree with anything you've mentioned ?

 

[tremble]

Not anything I mentioned? At all? You disagree that people should not be forced to wish others merry Christmas if they don't want to?

*pokes you hard in the chest for good measure*

 

[Charbel7]

Not anything I mentioned? At all? You disagree that people should not be forced to wish others merry Christmas if they don't want to?

*pokes you hard in the chest for good measure*

What's so funny? And why are you talking like a little girl? And do you think i'm kidding?

Immature.

 

[JGG]

And that's the "atheists" problem today. The cross means something to them and they hate that.

Really? Tell me more about me.

 

[JGG]

Quote from the lawyer representing the atheists:


It's interesting that the atheists themselves don't quite know what they really want. They appear to want the world to know that atheists also died, but I can't see that anyone is denying that atheists died there. If that's what they want to promote, there hardly seems any need to force another group to remove their own symbolism in order to achieve what they want.

Go find a piece of wreckage to symbolize atheism as ask to have it included in the museum just like the Christians did.

We want the system of Christian priviledge dismantled.

 

[BryanW92]

Really? Tell me more about me.

I don't have to. You already know about you. You just won't admit it. Why else would you be in a place called "Christian Forums"? You claim to want to end "Christian privilege". Do you really think you'll end it here? Of course not. You're just here to defend your religion.

 

[JGG]

I don't have to. You already know about you. You just won't admit it. Why else would you be in a place called "Christian Forums"? You claim to want to end "Christian privilege". Do you really think you'll end it here? Of course not. You're just here to defend your religion.

Oh, I won't admit it.

I didn't claim I was here to end Christian privilege. I can't end it. It's like asking the wealthy to give up their money. It's a lost cause. That much of what Christians like to complain about in regards to atheists, is that atheists don't want religion mixed with government that is supposed to be for us as well.

Of course, I'm not even allowed to "defend my beliefs" here, all I can do is cry strawman. Given the chance, I will certainly defend my beliefs. Until then, I just take on the "atheists stink" threads. And you're right, I will never change anyone's mind here. Might as well try though.

So tell me more about me while you're reading my mind. What's my favourite colour for instance?

 

[Habbit Animal]

Just read this...I have no words.

Atheists want iconic 17-foot cross removed from 9/11 museum | Fox News

Satan knows his army.

Atheists are bent on outlawing religious freedom in America and until then they'll terrorize the religious.