Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

[razeontherock]

What never made sense to me, is why all the superfluous rigmarole in the first place? Couldn't god have made things so all this fluff wasn't even necessary?

I'd love to see your plan. I'm sure He would too

 

[razeontherock]

But Zaac is completely wrong here. The whole point of Christian theology is just the opposite: that there isn't a penalty for breaking God's law.

Wow, I've seen you post some messed up stuff before, but THIS takes the cake.

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Romans 3:8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just."

Shoots your whole theory there

 

[razeontherock]

Those that know God's law and break it are not held accountable for it and those that do not know God's law and break it are held accountable for it.

This is simply not true. I know better than to think it is the sole cause of your angst, but this error certainly contributes to it. G-d Judges us based on what we know.

 

[razeontherock]

You can reject a gift, in the sense that you don't use it. But forgiveness is not something that can be used... it resides solely on the one that forgives. You cannot reject forgiveness.

Since you want to get technical with semantics, you need to account for reconciliation.

 

[Freodin]

Wow, I've seen you post some messed up stuff before, but THIS takes the cake.

"For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner? Romans 3:8 And not [rather], (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just."

Shoots your whole theory there

It only shows that even the authors of the Bible were humans who could not let go of their most cherished beliefs.

As much as these people, Paul and Zaac and you, claim that you are sinners and breakers of God's law... the main point of their position is called "salvation".

You are a sinner. You broke the law. You MUST BE PUNISHED!

Except...

And that was my point. Punishment is not necessary. It can be circumvented. And that makes it superfluous.

 

[Skavau]

This is simply not true. I know better than to think it is the sole cause of your angst, but this error certainly contributes to it. G-d Judges us based on what we know.

So Christianity is works based to you then?

 

[Skavau]

God doesn't send His children to hell. He lets those who are not His children---the ones who reject Him as Lord and Savior---of their own free will go to hell because they CHOOSE to reject Him.

Zaac, I've already answered this lie. No-one is 'rejecting' Christianity anymore than you are rejecting Islam. You simply don't believe that Islam is true like atheists do not believe that Christianity is true.

I certainly don't desire to go to hell and it is a lie that you would suggest that it is chosen by atheists.

 

[TerranceL]

This makes no sense. If I buy you a gift and send it to wherever you are, yous till have to answer the door when the delivery man drops it off and open the box; otherwise it does you no good.

I was unaware someone had to be told you were forgiving them in order for you to forgive them. How does that work exactly?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Luke 16:26
And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

Wherever he is, and I hope as unlikely as it was that the professing atheist came to Christ at the last minute and IS in heaven, he can't go between there and here.

If you've seen him, you've seen a demonic spirit.

Your turn.

It's amazing, the spirit of George Carlin told me you'd say those exact words. It's a miracle!

He also said you're the one being influenced by evil spirits.

Your turn...

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I'd love to see your plan. I'm sure He would too

If I were God, here's what my plan would be...

Let everyone who wants to go into Heaven.

The end.

 

[The Beautiful Heresy]

A lot of Christians actually 'want' this eternal burning chamber to be true, if it is not true then they have nothing to hold over the head of another. I think God is much more wiser than to leave with us something that is that real and that damaging to people in many ways right now, to use to hold over another's head. This is not the work or desire of a loving Father.

I mean we already have the Bible that is so abused and misused anyway. Then you everybody who has a hell they like to put everybody else in who does not agree with their version of God/The Bible, etc.

 

[Hannah64]

Why would a good athiest want to go to heaven when it is not something they believe in?

 

[Eudaimonist]

Why would a good athiest want to go to heaven when it is not something they believe in?

It's the answer to a hypothetical question.

You might not believe in reincarnation, but if someone were to ask you hypothetically if you'd prefer to reincarnate into a wiser and happier life, I'd imagine that you'd say yes.


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Why would a good athiest want to go to heaven when it is not something they believe in?

What does disbelieving in something have to do with a desire to experience it if it turns out to be true?

 

[Doveaman]

God has a wrath that CANNOT be separated from His love.

Very true.

God is merciful, therefore He forgive sins. But God is also just, therefore He punish sins.

 

[Doveaman]

But God does not have free will... so why should we have it?

That's news to me.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

Did you miss my point about not sending them to hell if I had the power to prevent that?

Really. Now I want you to test that out. I want you to go up to someone on the street and try to force them to love you. Let me know how that works out

Children love their fathers because of the relationship with him. If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and savior, then you are not His child.

The Bible says in John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

God doesn't send His children to hell. He lets those who are not His children---the ones who reject Him as Lord and Savior---of their own free will go to hell because they CHOOSE to reject Him.

But if you're awake , there is still time for you to accept His gift. That may not be true later.



There is nothing for me to work out. I trust God. If He says there is a hell, and He does, then there is.



Then you're obviously not free.

 

[Zaac]

Did you miss my point about not sending them to hell if I had the power to prevent that?

And He did what needed to be done to keep them from going to hell. The problem is THEY don't want to accept what He did.

 

[CaliforniaSun]

1) You misunderstand His Passion to be a human blood sacrifice. It was not.

2) You fail to comprehend what was accomplished. (Don't worry, none of us do, fully)

3) As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

Are you capable of making your points without ad homs? Because these types of answers don't add to the discussion, and it leads me to believe you're running out of argument. I understand fine, I'm just not obligated to accept it.

 

[Zaac]

You quoted a parable given prior to the Resurrection and the Harrowing of Hell.

Oh, and its not your place, Zaac, to say who is in Hell.

I'm well aware of what I quoted.

And contrary to popular opinion, if a person has rejected Jesus Christ his entire life and adhered to the tenets of atheism up to his death, he's unfortunately in hell.

There's no need to sugarcoat it anymore than him not sugarcoating the way that he felt about Christianity and the things of Christ.