Atheists go to hell even if they are good!?

[Zaac]

Well... goes to show that again Atheists can be more moral than Christians... we can forgive without being forgiven.

All that goes to show is just like everyone else who has gone to hell, you think you are the center of the world.

I hate to burst the bubble, but Jesus has to be the center. You won't be kept out of heaven because of your immorality and no one else will be getting in because of their morality.

 

[O. Ryan Faust]

John 3:18-20 (King James Version)


18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

 

[Zaac]

So, why doesn't he?

For the same reason you don't try to force someone whom you are interested in to love you.

 

[Zaac]

To add in another two cents.

I was just really thinking earlier how we live in a world so full of pain, suffering, and I mean all out torment in so many ways. To seriously believe that after all of this we go through here, ( which is truly 'hell') that our unseen creator who created us in his image, plans to torment literally in fires 'forever non-stop is really honestly the sickest thing ever to exist.

And in the name of Jesus, shall HIS truth God squash all of this nonsense about there not being an eternal place of torment.

What is wrong with yall? Is God a liar? Does man get to pick and choose what of God's word is truth and what is fable?

Does anyone on here read God's word? Does anyone on here accept His word as the truth?

You CANNOT point people to the savior without making very clear what they are being saved from.

And us unpalatable as it is for the sensibilities of some of you, God has a wrath that CANNOT be separated from His love.

 

[Zaac]

And yet, this is exactly what I would do if I had the power as a father to prevent my children from being tortured in hell forever.

Really. Now I want you to test that out. I want you to go up to someone on the street and try to force them to love you. Let me know how that works out

Children love their fathers because of the relationship with him. If you have not accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and savior, then you are not His child.

The Bible says in John 8:44
You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

God doesn't send His children to hell. He lets those who are not His children---the ones who reject Him as Lord and Savior---of their own free will go to hell because they CHOOSE to reject Him.

But if you're awake , there is still time for you to accept His gift. That may not be true later.

This is for you to work out, I see no evidence for a hell.

There is nothing for me to work out. I trust God. If He says there is a hell, and He does, then there is.

Also, I get to be good, because it's the RIGHT thing to do, not becuase I'm in fear of not being forgiven or spending eternity in hell. You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free!

Then you're obviously not free.

 

[Gishin]

The Bible says Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. Matthew 12:38-39

You've been given the same sign that they were. You reject it.

What, the 700 club?

 

[Zaac]

There is something I heard George Carlin say that made me die laughing, I do believe in God ( very much so).. but I agree with the second half what he said.

(It actually made me laugh at first, but later it really made me feel sad because he was right, this is what Christians preach)

(This is paraphrased) He pretty much said that people believe if you do not obey this God then he is going to burn you forever and ever and ever, but he loves you.

WOW!

Sounds like it is time for some of yall and George Carlin to get your theology straight. Unfortunately George is already in eternity. And if he stepped into eternity with the same atheistic beliefs with which he lived his life, he IS in hell.

 

[Zaac]

What, the 700 club?

 

[Jase]

Sounds like it is time for some of yall and George Carlin to get your theology straight. Unfortunately George is already in eternity. And if he stepped into eternity with the same atheistic beliefs with which he lived his life, he IS in hell.

Actually, he's in Sheol, and will then go to Gehenna where he will be purified enough to enter Olam Ha Ba.

 

[Zaac]

Actually, he's in Sheol, and will then go to Gehenna where he will be purified enough to enter Olam Ha Ba.

Actually he is in hell just as God's word says. And please excuse me from the Greek and Hebrew lessons

 

[TerranceL]

The wisdom of your every word only confirms how reliable the foolishness of God's word is.

"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe...For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom" - 1 Cor 1:18-25.

In other words, it is your wisdom that is repugnant.

Ok, I'll stick with the mode of wisdom that doesn't include eternal torture and human sacrifice.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Actually he is in hell just as God's word says. And please excuse me from the Greek and Hebrew lessons

Nope, he's in paradise. He appeared to me and told me so.

Your turn...

 

[Zaac]

Nope, he's in paradise. He appeared to me and told me so.

Your turn...

Luke 16:26
And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

Wherever he is, and I hope as unlikely as it was that the professing atheist came to Christ at the last minute and IS in heaven, he can't go between there and here.

If you've seen him, you've seen a demonic spirit.

Your turn.

 

[Freodin]

If He did we wouldn't be created in His image, would we?

But God does not have free will... so why should we have it?

 

[Freodin]

For the same reason you don't try to force someone whom you are interested in to love you.

What is this reason?

I mentioned that before, and I find it appaling that you sophisticated people are totally inable to keep to such a simple thought.

If you are asked a question, a question about your personal belief, it is not a good answer counter with a reference to the personal belief of the asking person.

 

[Incariol]

Luke 16:26
And besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.’

Wherever he is, and I hope as unlikely as it was that the professing atheist came to Christ at the last minute and IS in heaven, he can't go between there and here.

If you've seen him, you've seen a demonic spirit.

Your turn.

You quoted a parable given prior to the Resurrection and the Harrowing of Hell.

Oh, and its not your place, Zaac, to say who is in Hell.

 

[razeontherock]

See, that is the real problem with that approach.

There is no way to reject forgiveness. Forgiveness is one-sided. That is the meaning of "grace" and "mercy". It is given... it does not have to be bought.

This makes no sense. If I buy you a gift and send it to wherever you are, yous till have to answer the door when the delivery man drops it off and open the box; otherwise it does you no good.

 

[Freodin]

Get over it.

According to God's word, we're all sinners. You're part of ALL so that makes you guilty and sinful. Sin is offensive to God.



You said that already. And like I said, you're just gonna have to get over it.

YOU and every one of the 6.6 billion people on the earth are sinners. That's just a fact.



If I wronged you, I would ask for your forgiveness. But I don't apologize for telling people what God's word says. HE says you are a sinner. Your issue is with HIM, not me. I'm just delivering the message.



Ummm, thank you for forgiving me for something to which I was not looking for forgiveness.

And you don't notice the point.... oh glorious irony!

Perhaps you will notice that I told you exactly that: that you don't believe I have been wronged and thus you don't ask for forgiveness. I told you that!

And guess what: this is precisely the (non)motivation Atheists have for asking God for forgiveness: they don't think God exists, and thus cannot be wronged.

I can reject your forgiveness just as you can reject God's forgiveness. In this case, there is nothing to accept because I haven't committed a wrong.

Sure i can reject it. You feel good about yourself thinking I have to accept it. I don't especially since there has been no wrong.

I see you still don't get it. It doesn't matter what you accept or not. It doesn't matter what I feel about you. (Though I honestly wonder how you could get the notion that I feel good about you having to accept it when I explicitly told you that you don't have to accept it.)
It is not about you and what you do with forgiveness. It is about being forgiven.

And there are only two options: you are forgiven or you are not. And if you have to "do" something in order to be forgiven, it is not forgiveness at all. It is recompensation. A deal.

 

[razeontherock]

The older I get, the idea of a redemptive human blood sacrifice becomes more repugnant to me. It literally is offensive to me.

1) You misunderstand His Passion to be a human blood sacrifice. It was not.

2) You fail to comprehend what was accomplished. (Don't worry, none of us do, fully)

3) As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

 

[Freodin]

This makes no sense. If I buy you a gift and send it to wherever you are, yous till have to answer the door when the delivery man drops it off and open the box; otherwise it does you no good.

It makes no sense because your analogy is not fitting. Forgiveness is not something that the receiver "uses"... it is something that the giver applies.

Consider the following analogy. A meteor is going to smash into your house just now. I'm going to destroy it before it can harm you. I acted, and you profit from it.

Now try to "reject" my gift. What do you think will happen to your house?