Atheists & Christians On CF

[Strathos]

I never thought all biblical dogmas should be defended ( some are abusive and degrading to women and/or children .some are superstitious nonsense about natural phenomena . And then there’s the gay bashing which I think is wrong and stupid just on GEneral principles
I’m the wrong one to ask to defend these.

It's wrong for a Christian to dismiss any part of Scripture. It just may not mean what certain people have told you that it means.

 

[Brightmoon]

If the Bible condones or approves of toxic behavior it will be dismissed. Slavery , especially in the southern USA, was defended by using the Bible . And you have modern idiots who still bring up these arguments. Misogyny is still defended by using the Bible. I don’t see the point in defending abusive or demeaning behavior and blaming it on God.

 

[Strathos]

If the Bible condones or approves of toxic behavior it will be dismissed. Slavery , especially in the southern USA, was defended by using the Bible . And you have modern idiots who still bring up these arguments. Misogyny is still defended by using the Bible. I don’t see the point in defending abusive or demeaning behavior and blaming it on God.

You can defend anything using Scripture if you twist it enough. Satan even tried to do that against Jesus.

 

[Nithavela]

Wow... To be honest me too and it hurt me. I can relate I have issues with depression and anxiety and have been accused of the same of not having faith and demonized esp. because I take medication.

Who cares about flat or round earth you know if it is round or flat I'm ok with that. Minor issue you know?

It's actually not that minor...

 

[lamb7]

It's actually not that minor...

It's not a salvation issue if I believe the earth is round or flat. It's abouy Jesus.

 

[Phil 1:21]

Truth be told, I've gotten more a lot more grief here from Christians than I ever get from atheists, such as:

1) I have depression is due to the fact that I lack faith.
2) I lack discernment (and do not believe the Bible) because I don't think the world is a flat circle.
3) I am "of the world" (which is Bad) because I don't listen to only Christian(tm) music.
4) I'm probably not a RealTrue Christian because I think owls are neat birds.
5) I have demons in me because I enjoyed Final Fantasy VII.
6) I really have demons in me because I have D&D books in my home.

Etc., etc....

Just Pharisees being Pharisees. Keep the faith, brother.

 

[Phil 1:21]

It's not a salvation issue if I believe the earth is round or flat. It's abouy Jesus.

And that's the difference with believers. We try to keep our eye on what's really important, Jesus.

 

[majj27]

It's actually not that minor...

I wouldn't call it "minor" either, but it *is* something that someone can usually ignore in their day-to-day life. Planetary topography doesn't really affect how I weed my garden or fix a computer, for example. Likewise, whether or not Jupiter has rings makes no difference to me from moment to moment.

On the other hand, if you're a flight controller, I really don't want you guiding planes if you don't know the actual shape of the earth.

I think the real issue I have with Flat Earth is that it seems based on the idea that once you make up your mind that something sounds agreeable to you, that any evidence to the contrary *must* be wrong regardless of source, veracity, or anything else. This is very human, but it's not a very helpful direction to take. And it can lead to some truly strange beliefs which might one day wind up hurting people.

 

[lamb7]

And that's the difference with believers. We try to keep our eye on what's really important, Jesus.

Agreed if its flat I'm cool with that if its round in cool with that too. ♡

 

[majj27]

And that's the difference with believers. We try to keep our eye on what's really important, Jesus.

Well, some folks seem to have the idea that if you don't believe in Flat Earth, you are denying the Bible, which means denying Christ, which means you aren't really a Christian in the first place. So while they may say it isn't a salvation issue, in essence they kind of think it is.

 

[keith99]

Well, some folks seem to have the idea that if you don't believe in Flat Earth, you are denying the Bible, which means denying Christ, which means you aren't really a Christian in the first place. So while they may say it isn't a salvation issue, in essence they kind of think it is.

And Paul, Augustine, Lewis and many others argue that if you get mundane facts wrong you then destroy your ability to present the gospel, for why should one trust a source that has been wrong regarding the things you know and can check?

 

[Phil 1:21]

Well, some folks seem to have the idea that if you don't believe in Flat Earth, you are denying the Bible, which means denying Christ, which means you aren't really a Christian in the first place. So while they may say it isn't a salvation issue, in essence they kind of think it is.

Just Pharisees being Pharisees. Shake the dust from your feet and move on from them.