Atheists arguing morality?

[LonesomeTexan]

Am I the only person that sees the irony in this? They reject their own Creator, his word, and Christ, yet somehow they feel that their own standards of morality are above all others. They wont even recognize their own sins, but somehow they think they can dictate what true morality is. Fascinating stuff.

Atheism is a religion of self. These people, in general, are quite bitter. I mean, they flock to Christian message boards just to mock our faith. How pathetic is that? They have nothing to look foward to except another day in their own meaningless existance. I reckon I'd feel bitter too if I believed all I was here for was to pass on my genes and die alone. How anyone can think that the creation of the universe was due to some random lucky cosmic chance is beyond me.

 

[I Just Believe In Me]

It makes me happy that I am still astounded by the level of ignorance some people show on this board. The day I become jaded to this will be sad indead.

Know that I do not, nor do I believe any other atheist , comes here with the intent of mocking Christians. Your religion is a powerful force in this world. It influences many things. I come here seeking discussion and debate on this subject. Only through this can there ever be understanding and peace.

As for your claims I would ask what morality it is you think you gain from your religion. Do you only abstaine form murder because you have read it in a book? If you truthfully had never read the bible would you kill? Do you think that those who do not believe in your god want to kill others?

I am not bitter over my disbelief. I am quite happy being an atheist. The only ill will I have is to those who try to impose their beliefs on others.

My existance is not meaningless. There is much joy in my life, and I hope I give joy to others.

I ask you to look into yourself and find the source of your unhappiness. Attacking others who come in peace does no one any good.

 

[Caitlin.ann]

I agree with "I just believe in me" on this matter. I have rarely ever seen an atheist come here in order to attack Christians, except for one who was attacking everyone who wasn't atheist. That one, thank gods, is a very small minority. People are here for many reasons. This site has(d) a nice debating area where all are (were) welcome. Some want to seek to understand Christianity as the above poster stated because Christianity is a strong influence in the world right now. We all have our own morals, but simply because one is not Christian does not mean they have bad morals. Why is this directed towards Atheists? Do you also feel that non-Christians (other than Atheists) don't have morals either?

Why do you feel the need to attack rather than understand? In my understanding of Jesus (which is vast, I assure you) he wanted everyone to love their neighbor. Jesus taught compassion and understanding and to leave judgment up to him and his father. Why am I not seeing any of that here?

 

[flicka]

LonesomeTexan you need some friends IRL. Then he wouldn't be so lonesome and hopefully not so ignorant about life in general. What an embarrassing post.

 

[WatersMoon110]

It seems to me that there was something I read somewhere about this...something about not pointing out motes in the eyes of others when there are logs in one's own eye...

 

[Washington]

It seems to me that there was something I read somewhere about this...something about not pointing out motes in the eyes of others when there are logs in one's own eye...

He's just a kid. Give him about 50 years and he may outgrow it.

 

[WatersMoon110]

He's just a kid. Give him about 50 years and he may outgrow it.

Technically, he's an adult.

I expect adults to think and act like an adult. If people excuse the childish behavior of someone because they are "just a kid" then they won't ever learn that their behavior is not acceptable, and learn how to act like an adult.

 

[peter22]

Lonesometexan

Am I the only person that sees the irony in this?
They reject their own Creator, his word, and Christ, yet somehow they feel that their own standards of morality are above all others.

It's not that atheists feel their standards are 'better'- think about what you just said. It's Christians who arrogantly think their standards are better: you just blatantly stated that. Can you see the irony there? Paraphrased:

"Christianity is morally superior- I don't understand why atheists think they are morally superior."

They wont even recognize their own sins, but somehow they think they can dictate what true morality is. Fascinating stuff.

Christians won't cleanse their bodies of impurity at Shinto shrines, but somehow they think they can dictate what true morality is. How can you think clearly if you are don't ritually cleanse yourself? First you must cleanse yourself and rinse your mouth, only then can you enter the shrine's grounds with humility.

Atheism is a religion of self. These people, in general, are quite bitter.

Bitter how?

They have nothing to look foward to except another day in their own meaningless existence.

Meaningless to you perhaps.

I reckon I'd feel bitter too if I believed all I was here for was to pass on my genes and die alone.

And this of course leads to fantasising about an amazing 'heaven' and 'protective father figure' where we don't have to deal with reality! It's delusion fun!

How anyone can think that the creation of the universe was due to some random lucky cosmic chance is beyond me.

Imagine you're driving on a highway and you see a red Ford with the number plate WTR-543 and you say to yourself, "WOW! Of all the cars to pass me right at this time, what are the chances of a red Ford with WTR-543 on it? That's a miracle!"

 

[Morcova]

Personally LonesomeTexan people like you scare me.

People who seem to actually need a book to tell them that rape, murder, etc is wrong.

One can only wonder what you would have done if you hadn't read that book.

Some of us just figured out that stuff was wrong on our own... sorry you weren't able to.

 

[gwenmead]

Oh, my... how to put this...

LT, it's clear from your post that you are tremendously ignorant of what atheism is and what atheists are actually like. Ignorance is no moral flaw, though, it simply means that one doesn't know about something yet.

Would you like to know and understand atheists and atheism? If so, there are plenty of atheists here, with plenty of posts to study. A perusal of them will give you a much more realistic grasp of atheism in practice, if you are willing to trust that atheists know their own minds and motivations better than you do.

If not, that's fine. If you feel more comfortable and self-righteous holding fast to your current misconceptions, you certainly have every right to do so. Ignorance is bliss, after all.

 

[trivista]

Am I the only person that sees the irony in this? They reject their own Creator, his word, and Christ, yet somehow they feel that their own standards of morality are above all others. They wont even recognize their own sins, but somehow they think they can dictate what true morality is. Fascinating stuff.

Atheism is a religion of self. These people, in general, are quite bitter. I mean, they flock to Christian message boards just to mock our faith. How pathetic is that? They have nothing to look foward to except another day in their own meaningless existance. I reckon I'd feel bitter too if I believed all I was here for was to pass on my genes and die alone. How anyone can think that the creation of the universe was due to some random lucky cosmic chance is beyond me.

You know it is sad that such lies coming from a self proclaimed Christian don't shock me anymore.

*Lying for Jesus isn't in the Bible so why do it?*

 

[Beanieboy]

I once remember an interesting conversation with my Jewish neighbor. She said, "there has to be a God. Otherwise, people would do whatever they wanted, and there would be total chaos."

I said, "Imagine that there is no God. When you die, you are dead. The end. Now, tell me, without the punishment of hell or torment, what would you change?"

She thought and said, "you don't think people would kill?"
I said, "People kill now, but they would be put in jail with or without God. We have laws for parking near firehydrants without biblical influence. We are protected from killers to protect it's citiizens. But what would YOU change?"

She thought again. I said, "You already have premarital sex, despite it being against Jewish belief. You get drunk, which I believe is also against scripture. So, you already do what you want, but whatever you don't do now (shooting heroine, murder) you wouldn't do any way."

Personally, I have yet to see much difference in actions between atheists and Christians. There are very upstanding people in both groups, as well as callous people in both groups. Religion seems to have little to do with whether one is moral or not. Some of the most atrotious things have been done in the name of religion, after all.

 

[gwenmead]

Religion seems to have little to do with whether one is moral or not. Some of the most atrotious things have been done in the name of religion, after all.

QFT.

The most devious, manipulative, self-centered individual I ever had the misfortune to meet was a devout, Born-Again, Bible-believing Christian. I've since come to the conclusion that religious standing is no good indicator of moral integrity. To the contrary, there seems to be a close relationship between how much someone proclaims their moral superiority, and how corrupt they actually are behind closed doors.

Gold and jade on the outside, rot and decay on the inside...

 

[m9lc]

ITT: A Christian who's inexperienced in apologetics thinks that he's arguing points that we haven't heard before.

You're gonna have to do better than that.

Oh, by the way, just because I am bitter with the prevalence of the ignorance that you so perfectly demonstrate, doesn't mean that I'm a bitter person on the whole. By and large I'm a pretty happy person. I have friends that I love, and I'm involved in various activities to take up my time, and I always do my best to try and be kind to everyone. There's nothing different about me than anyone else. There isn't a "sad look" in my eyes, or anything.

No, I don't sit in my room all day and type angry blogs about religion and read books and write emo poetry. I really do have a life outside of atheism. Yes, with regards to the philosophical aspect of my life, I am bitter. But there are way too many things I'm totally happy about in my life to call me bitter.

Atheism is little more than a footnote in my life. I know that your pastor, mommy, and daddy told you that I'm a God-hating shell of a person who focuses his entire life on spitting in God's face, but I'm actually a pretty normal person who just can think for myself, an ability which you quite apparently lack.

Start synthesizing your own thoughts and maybe we'll talk.

PS. Atheism isn't a religion anymore than not collecting stamps is a hobby.

 

[Wednesday]

LT thinks that we need a 3000 year old book to figure out basic morals. Guess what, morals existed before and instead of Christianity. Christianity is far from bastion of morality. Take your time to get a good look at it.

I don't need to believe in IPU to have morals. You say our existance is meaningless, but if you devoted some of your time to something other than religion and bible, you would realise that there is so much more to life.

Oh, and atheism is not a religion. A - theism - absence of belief in any sort of deity.

gwenmead
The most devious, manipulative, self-centered individual I ever had the misfortune to meet was a devout, Born-Again, Bible-believing Christian.

QFT

LT's post looks as if he never met an atheist. He calls us bitter, meanwhile his post is dripping with bitterness. What is the matter? Honestly, what is your problem?

 

[Washington]

Technically, he's an adult.

I expect adults to think and act like an adult. If people excuse the childish behavior of someone because they are "just a kid" then they won't ever learn that their behavior is not acceptable, and learn how to act like an adult.

If he ain't old enough to buy liquor he ain't no adult. 'Sides, it ain't his behavior it's his thinkin'

 

[Caitlin.ann]

If he ain't old enough to buy liquor he ain't no adult. 'Sides, it ain't his behavior it's his thinkin'

Psh! I take offense to that. I can't buy liquor but I still have the ability to act respectful and use my critical thinking skills.

 

[FaithLikeARock]

I'm pretty sure I knew not to steal or kill or whatever LONG before I was a Christian. It's kind of common sense. That's why God MADE them sins. Not because He felt like telling us what to do because to protect us from consequences.

God gave you a brain. USE IT.

 

[FadingWhispers3]

Ooo I'm starting to feel the love of God radiating from dat corner over there. Anyone else feel it?

Most people don't have any problems with God. It's his fan club we can't stand.

 

[tapero]

Am I the only person that sees the irony in this? They reject their own Creator, his word, and Christ, yet somehow they feel that their own standards of morality are above all others. They wont even recognize their own sins, but somehow they think they can dictate what true morality is. Fascinating stuff.

Atheism is a religion of self. These people, in general, are quite bitter. I mean, they flock to Christian message boards just to mock our faith. How pathetic is that? They have nothing to look foward to except another day in their own meaningless existance. I reckon I'd feel bitter too if I believed all I was here for was to pass on my genes and die alone. How anyone can think that the creation of the universe was due to some random lucky cosmic chance is beyond me.

What's more ironic is Christians who think non believers are immoral people, and those who think that one can only be moral if they are a Christian.

And also ironic is that there are immoral Christians, and what is 'pathetic' (using your term) is a Christian who forgets they once were a non believer and further 'pathetic' (again your term) believing that they know another persons heart.

That's ironic and pathetic.