Atheistic Liberal News Media

[clirus]

Clirus seems oblivious to the fact that her most fierce critics on this forum are self-professing Christians. Christian and non-Christian alike have used Scripture to argue against the claims of her ideology, and yet it seems that she has scarcely contemplated the serious implications (to her ideology) of our counter-arguments. Indeed, it seems that she has in no way accommodated our critiques into her thought, not even mildly. It is like talking to a brick wall. I presume Clirus cannot detach herself from her arguments and inspect from an impartial distance because she is too emotionally invested in them. This seems understandable. Clirus has spent years posting essentially the same claims on various Internet forums. This requires effort and commitment, for which she is to be commended, but it also requires a persistent psychological justification that the time commitment and effort was 'worth it'. For Clirus to acknowledge that she was wrong on any count would, in her eyes perhaps, invalidate all her past efforts, and remove the psychological justification for them. To acknowledge that she was wrong, after so much work, might afterall suggest to her that her past labours were fruitless and simply a waste of time. This of course can happen to anyone who invests considerable time and energy into a project, only to find that perhaps they had chosen the wrong path from the outset. The challenge here, to grow intellectually, is to move past that. How to succeed in this challenge... I do not know.

The implication of your discussion would seem to be that my beliefs have been rejected by Christians on this forum.

Since no one has encouraged me or agreed with me, you must be correct.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The implication of your discussion would seem to be that my beliefs have been rejected by Christians on this forum.

Since no one has encouraged me or agreed with me, you must be correct.

I'd say that nobody at all has supported any of your more outlandish policy suggestions -- while I know you don't care about such things, perhaps it will help you understand why a country dedicated to serving the peoplr (that's all the people, not just the majority) might not see things your way?

 

[Nathan Poe]

BTW, The Rules normally call for a drink every time clirus mentions the "Athesitic Liberal News Media," but now that she's dedicated an entire thread to the topic, The Rules are temporarily suspended in order to avoid alcohol poisoning.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Quote of Clirus
The implication of your discussion would seem to be that my beliefs have been rejected by Christians on this forum.

Since no one has encouraged me or agreed with me, you must be correct.

Clirus
I will give you credit for being honest!

 

[outOftheLoop]

I love it how Fox News simultaneously talks about how the Mainstream Media are all goddess commie traitors, and at the same time proudly proclaim themselves the most popular and most watched news channel in America.

GUESS WHAT MAINSTREAM ACTUALLY MEANS, FOX NEWS. GUESS.

what the....?

hellooooooooo!!!

the media is made up of a relatively small number of journalists... They are a minority.. & about 90% of them are liberals

yet they influence all of America

 

[Archaeopteryx]

what the....?

hellooooooooo!!!

the media is made up of a relatively small number of journalists... They are a minority.. & about 90% of them are liberals

yet they influence all of America

Influence sounds like a causal word. You'll need to verify that they influence all of America. In what way? How? Does this mean people are just passive sponges that absorb whatever they are told to?

 

[laconicstudent]

what the....?

hellooooooooo!!!

the media is made up of a relatively small number of journalists... They are a minority.. & about 90% of them are liberals

yet they influence all of America

What study did you get 90% out of?

 

[Gishin]

He observed that 100% of people who disagree with him or he disagrees with have to be liberal atheist communists. Since he disagrees with 90% of the new apparently, 90% of the people in news are liberals.

 

[Ayersy]

what the....?

hellooooooooo!!!

the media is made up of a relatively small number of journalists... They are a minority.. & about 90% of them are liberals

yet they influence all of America

Citation?

 

[clirus]

I'd say that nobody at all has supported any of your more outlandish policy suggestions -- while I know you don't care about such things, perhaps it will help you understand why a country dedicated to serving the peoplr (that's all the people, not just the majority) might not see things your way?

If all the people are to be served, does that mean good people and evil people are to be treated equally?

 

[clirus]

Clirus
I will give you credit for being honest!

If I am honest now, was I not honest before?

 

[sdmsanjose]

Originally Posted by sdmsanjose http://www.christianforums.com/t7501059-post55839565/#post55839565
Clirus
I will give you credit for being honest!

Clirus reply
If I am honest now, was I not honest before?


Clirus I think you have been very honest in your opinions. However, as for "before", I believe that you lack wisdom, are inappropriately judgmental in some areas, and your spiritual priorities are in the wrong order.

Your statements about Jesus Christ as the son of God is admirable but is tarnished by your judgments and priorities.

I Am being honest in hopes that you will consider my answers to your question and maybe they can help you gains some influence.

 

[clirus]

Originally Posted by sdmsanjose
Clirus
I will give you credit for being honest!

Clirus reply
If I am honest now, was I not honest before?


Clirus I think you have been very honest in your opinions. However, as for "before", I believe that you lack wisdom, are inappropriately judgmental in some areas, and your spiritual priorities are in the wrong order.

Your statements about Jesus Christ as the son of God is admirable but is tarnished by your judgments and priorities.

I Am being honest in hopes that you will consider my answers to your question and maybe they can help you gains some influence.

Judgmental

Am I being too judgmental or are others being too soft on sin?

When I first started writing, Atheists presented themselves as the good guys, while Christians were the ones that killed millions and created hate by being judgmental. I was successful in showing the Atheistic Lifestyle was evil by showing the elements of the Atheistic Lifestyle lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty, just as the Bible states.

Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Atheists did not like that because they were proven to be the evil people and Christians were the good people. If pointing out the Atheistic Lifestyle leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty is judgmental, so be it. I am proud to represent God on earth.

When Atheists hear God's word they feel guilty and immediately want to destroy the person quoting the Bible by saying the person is judgmental, when in reality it is God's word that is judgmental.

As I continued to write, I found that even Christians did not like to discuss sin. Instead most Christians wanted to only discuss God's Love and forget God's Righteousness.

Look what happened to the Catholic Church when they took a too soft on sin approach.

Many Christians had the opinion that the poor were noble people, but the Bible says both the rich and poor are in great danger of sin. Many Christians thought the poor were such noble people that the sins of the poor could be excused. Many Christians even advocating subsidizing the sins of the poor by health care/welfare (socialism). I believe the greatest need of the poor is salvation, the same as it is for everone.

I do not believe Christians should take physical action relative to sin (that is the responsibility of Civil Law when the sin represents a threat to society), but I believe Christians must rebuke sin and those that advocate sin. The John Edwards attitude on sin, "I would not do that, but I would not mind someone else doing it" is wrong. Sin is sin whether a person does it or someone else does it. Condoning sin in others is tacit acceptance of sin.

I expect Atheists to be mad, but I am really surprised at those that call themselves Christians.

I keep hearing that there is a better way than my way, but I have not seen it. It seems to me the soft on sin approach is not working since disease, death, destruction and poverty is increasing. I have even heard Christians praying for end times because they do not know how to reverse the present trend to evil. These Christians also hope there will be a pre tribulation rapture so they will not have to suffer. Maybe the rapture is death during the tribulation. I wonder how the thinking of Christians would change if there were no pre tribulation rapture?

I am willing to accept God's judgement that I was too harsh on sin, if others are willing to accept God's judgement they were too soft on sin.

PS Your statements to me were judgmental, however I treat criticism in a different manner.

Proverbs 6:17 states, "Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend."

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Am I being too judgmental or are others being too soft on sin?

The only person that is meant to be soft (or hard) on sin is God.

When I first started writing, Atheists presented themselves as the good guys, while Christians were the ones that killed millions and created hate by being judgmental. I was successful in showing the Atheistic Lifestyle was evil by showing the elements of the Atheistic Lifestyle lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty, just as the Bible states.

And I was successful in showing that the 'Atheistic Lifestyle' does not exist, and that Atheists do not necessarily suscribe to the 'Lifestyle' you characterise.

Many Christians had the opinion that the poor were noble people, but the Bible says both the rich and poor are in great danger of sin. Many Christians thought the poor were such noble people that the sins of the poor could be excused. Many Christians even advocating subsidizing the sins of the poor by health care/welfare (socialism). I believe the greatest need of the poor is salvation, the same as it is for everone.

So you believe that healthcare/welfare can 'subsidize sin'? Hmmm... can't that be said of all public programs? Don't roads 'subsidize sin' when someone uses them to drive from point A to point B to engage in sinfulness? Doesn't democracy 'subsidize sin' when it gives sinners a voice in the political discourse? Doesn't the military 'subsidize sin' when it protects equally people that you regard as 'evil'?

I keep hearing that there is a better way than my way, but I have not seen it. It seems to me the soft on sin approach is not working since disease, death, destruction and poverty is increasing.

I keep hearing that your way is the best way, but I have not seen it. You haven't shown how your approach would realistically improve prospects. Whereas most people see the obvious: it would worsen prospects.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Am I being too judgmental or are others being too soft on sin?

The only person that is meant to be soft (or hard) on sin is God.

When I first started writing, Atheists presented themselves as the good guys, while Christians were the ones that killed millions and created hate by being judgmental. I was successful in showing the Atheistic Lifestyle was evil by showing the elements of the Atheistic Lifestyle lead to disease, death, destruction and poverty, just as the Bible states.

And I was successful in showing that the 'Atheistic Lifestyle' does not exist, and that Atheists do not necessarily suscribe to the 'Lifestyle' you characterise.

Many Christians had the opinion that the poor were noble people, but the Bible says both the rich and poor are in great danger of sin. Many Christians thought the poor were such noble people that the sins of the poor could be excused. Many Christians even advocating subsidizing the sins of the poor by health care/welfare (socialism). I believe the greatest need of the poor is salvation, the same as it is for everone.

So you believe that healthcare/welfare can 'subsidize sin'? Hmmm... can't that be said of all public programs? Don't roads 'subsidize sin' when someone uses them to drive from point A to point B to engage in sinfulness? Doesn't democracy 'subsidize sin' when it gives sinners a voice in the political discourse? Doesn't the military 'subsidize sin' when it protects equally people that you regard as 'evil'?

I keep hearing that there is a better way than my way, but I have not seen it. It seems to me the soft on sin approach is not working since disease, death, destruction and poverty is increasing.

I keep hearing that your way is the best way, but I have not seen it. You haven't shown how your approach would realistically improve prospects. Whereas most people see the obvious: it would worsen prospects.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

This thread was supposed to be about the Atheistic Liberal News Media. If so, why haven't you answered this post Clirus:

Clirus contends that the Atheistic Liberal News Media and Entertainment Industry reports "only bad news about Christians, Conservatives and Republicans and only good news about atheists, liberals and democrats." If that is true, then why is the Atheistic Liberal News Media reporting this story, which is clearly bad news about democrats.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Quote by Clirus
Atheists did not like that because they were proven to be the evil people and Christians were the good people. If pointing out the Atheistic Lifestyle leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty is judgmental, so be it. I am proud to represent God on earth.

Your claim that the Atheistic lifestyle leads to disease, death, destruction, and poverty is too general of a statement and in some cases is not true. Take a look at the list of the wealthiest people in the world and you will see several atheists. Many atheists live to be a ripe old age.

I do believe that Atheists are in need of forgiveness and redemption through Jesus Christ: just like you and I needed that grace. I don’t think you calling them evil is the best way to influence them to realize the love of God through Jesus Christ. Maybe you have had some success with your method of calling people evil but I have not seen that to be very affective so far.

I believe the greatest need of the poor is salvation, the same as it is for everone.

I agree with you 100%

PS Your statements to me were judgmental, however I treat criticism in a different manner.

You asked me a question and I answered it honestly, By the way I said that
“Your statements about Jesus Christ as the son of God are admirable…”

I maybe the only one on this forum that has ever said a statement by you is admirable. Perhaps you have influenced people to begin the process to believe in Christ with your method but I was trying to give you my opinion so that you could include God’s love and grace in your discussions.

 

[clirus]

sdmsanjose quote

Your claim that the Atheistic lifestyle leads to disease, death, destruction, and poverty is too general of a statement and in some cases is not true. Take a look at the list of the wealthiest people in the world and you will see several atheists. Many atheists live to be a ripe old age.

I do believe that Atheists are in need of forgiveness and redemption through Jesus Christ: just like you and I needed that grace. I don't think you calling them evil is the best way to influence them to realize the love of God through Jesus Christ. Maybe you have had some success with your method of calling people evil but I have not seen that to be very affective so far.

Response

I believe the wages of sin is death, but death is not a proof of sin. There are few things in life that are absolute, but rules of living must be established on the bases of what happens most.

There would be no rules if you negated a rule when someone could find an exception to the rule. One could say that Jesus not executing the women taken in adultery means the Church should accept adultery.

I believe that very few Atheists live to a ripe old age, but some may want to believe that. I saw a TV show once that ask were move stars were now, and most were alcoholics, drug addicts, etc. living a miserable life.

A lot Christians believe they can make other people "realize the love of God through Jesus Christ", but I do not believe that works most of the time. The Roman Road to Salvation begins with admitting that all have sinned and are worthy of death.

Now days, Atheists ignore the obvious disease, death, destruction and poverty of the Atheistic Lifestyle and call Christians judgmental. Atheists even want the discussion of sin to be called a "hate crime".

I may not be able to do anything with hard core Atheists, but I sure want to make a statement that the wages of sin is death, so that some person may be deterred from that first sin that traps them into a life of sin.

Roman Road to Salvation

Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God." We must all realize that we are sinners and that we need forgiveness. We are not worthy of God's grace.

Romans 5:8 "But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us." Through Jesus, God gave us a way to be saved from our sins. God showed us His love by giving us the potential for life through the death of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Romans 6:23 "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." If we remain sinners, we will die. However, if we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, and repent of our sins, we will have eternal life.

Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation." Just confess that Jesus Christ is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead and you will be saved!

Romans 10:13 "For whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." There are no religious formulas or rituals -- Call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved!

Romans 11:36: "For of Him and through Him and to Him are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen." Determine in your heart to make Jesus Christ the Lord of your life today.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

There would be no rules if you negated a rule when someone could find an exception to the rule.

But you frequently invoke the principle of 'whatever it takes', which would suggest all sorts of exceptions to rules.

Now days, Atheists ignore the obvious disease, death, destruction and poverty of the Atheistic Lifestyle and call Christians judgmental. Atheists even want the discussion of sin to be called a "hate crime".

Not all Atheists suscribe to what you call a 'Atheistic Lifestyle'. One wonders then the merits or appropriateness of even calling it 'Atheistic' when Atheists don't all suscribe to it. Perhaps you could think of a better term, thus acknowledging that Atheists are not necessarily part of this so-called 'Lifestyle'.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I believe that very few Atheists live to a ripe old age, but some may want to believe that.

Bertrand Russell was a pacifist and social critic, renowned as a champion of humanistic ideals and as an anti-war activist and outspoken proponent of nuclear disarmament. He lived to the ripe old age of 97.