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[clirus]

In other words, you believe that it is morally permissible for the elimination of homosexuals to be considered a legitimate option should they refuse to abide by your command to get back in the closet.

Nothing will ever be "by my command", but rather when society decides to follow the commandments/doctrines of the Bible, and takes the "what ever it takes" approach to dealing with homosexuality that the Bible defines to be an abomination and physical reality shows leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

I believe it is "morally permissible" and "required" of Christians to deal with adultery and other sinful activity that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty in the same manner.

The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

Matthew 5:13 states, "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under the foot of men."

Christians should warn people (be salt and light), Civil Law should control, restrict, destroy, force, etc. people. Christians should advocate that which is good and healthy for society as described in the Bible. Civil Law should control, restrict, destroy, force, etc. that which is harmful (disease, death, destruction and poverty) to society. Congress (as the representatives of the people) defines Civil Law. If the laws that Congress defines are consistent with the Christian Lifestyle (God's Law), the people who practice evil will suffer. If the laws that Congress defines are consistent with the Atheistic Lifestyle, everyone will suffer. Civil Law consistent with the Atheistic Lifestyle cause suffering for everyone because the Christens suffer under the law, and the Atheists suffer because of the sin the law allows. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;
1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.
2) If it is evil - rebuke it but tolerate it.
3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.

The first two are from the New Testament of the Bible and represent the Law of Love. The third is from the Old Testament of the Bible and represents the Law of Purity/Self Defense. The New Testament deals more with personal responsibility and the Old Testament deals more with the preservation of society. The Old Testament and the New Testament together present God's Law, a means of survival for a person, a nation and a world.

It is the third level of action the Christian Church is failing to support.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Nothing will ever be "by my command", but rather when society decides to follow the commandments/doctrines of the Bible, and takes the "what ever it takes" approach to dealing with homosexuality that the Bible defines to be an abomination and physical reality shows leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty.

I believe it is "morally permissible" and "required" of Christians to deal with adultery and other sinful activity that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty in the same manner.

The only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing.

Matthew 5:13 states, "Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? It is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under the foot of men."

Christians should warn people (be salt and light), Civil Law should control, restrict, destroy, force, etc. people. Christians should advocate that which is good and healthy for society as described in the Bible. Civil Law should control, restrict, destroy, force, etc. that which is harmful (disease, death, destruction and poverty) to society. Congress (as the representatives of the people) defines Civil Law. If the laws that Congress defines are consistent with the Christian Lifestyle (God's Law), the people who practice evil will suffer. If the laws that Congress defines are consistent with the Atheistic Lifestyle, everyone will suffer. Civil Law consistent with the Atheistic Lifestyle cause suffering for everyone because the Christens suffer under the law, and the Atheists suffer because of the sin the law allows. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;
1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.
2) If it is evil - rebuke it but tolerate it.
3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.

The first two are from the New Testament of the Bible and represent the Law of Love. The third is from the Old Testament of the Bible and represents the Law of Purity/Self Defense. The New Testament deals more with personal responsibility and the Old Testament deals more with the preservation of society. The Old Testament and the New Testament together present God's Law, a means of survival for a person, a nation and a world.

It is the third level of action the Christian Church is failing to support.

In other words, you believe that the killing of homosexuals and anyone else who refuses to conform to your perverse ideology is a legitimate option. You espouse intolerance, to the point of killing, as a doctrine. Fortunately, Civilisation, if it is to progress, seems to be abandoning your kind of ideology to the place where it belongs: the Dark Ages.

 

[clirus]

sdmsanjose quote

Even the Old Testament shows God's KINDNESS, TOLERANCE and PATIENCE with the house of Israel. Israel was an adulteress people with their relationship with God for CENTURIES yet God made a new covenant so that there would be HOPE and REDEMPTION!

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This is true, but God's righteousness caused God to send the house of Israel into captivity twice because of the evil that had become a part of the house of Israel when the house of Israel turned away from God.

I am not going to tell you that you are wrong, but rather that I believe God is both a God of Love and a God of Righteousness.

My readings of the whole Bible and my life experiences tell me that people will consider sin as acceptable unless it is rebuked. Sin must be rebuked by both the Church and State in order for the rebuke to be effective in preventing the sin that leads to disease, death, destruction and poverty. If the Church says one thing and the State says another, it just creates confusion. The State must be controlled by Christians in order to make sure the State says the same thing as the Church.

The model for this concept was stated by Blackstone.

William Blackstone: Of the Nature of Laws in General

William Blackstone's Commentaries on the Laws of England states, "This law of nature, being coeval with mankind and dictated by God himself, is of course superior in obligation to any other-It is binding over all the globe in all countries, and at all times; no human laws are of any validity, if contrary to this: and such of them as are valid derive all their force, and all their authority, mediately or immediately, from this original."

The key point stated by Blackstone is that law was dictated by God himself, it is superior to all other law, and that no laws contrary to the laws dictated by God are valid.

America is seeing the effects (confusion) of a State that has legalized pornography, abortion and homosexuality, and is teaching evolution theory and big bang theory, which are contrary to the Bible.

The only legal way for the State to return to being controlled by Christians is by Christians being involved in politics and electing Christians.

Republicans have yet to prove to me that they totally support Christian principles, but democrats have proven they do "not" support Christian Principles.

The Church should rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State should rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

 

[clirus]

In other words, you believe that the killing of homosexuals and anyone else who refuses to conform to your perverse ideology is a legitimate option. You espouse intolerance, to the point of killing, as a doctrine. Fortunately, Civilisation, if it is to progress, seems to be abandoning your kind of ideology to the place where it belongs: the Dark Ages.

The concept of tolerance that many say is progress, has produced two million deaths per year due to AIDS and a 40% illegitimacy rate that represents instant poverty, where the government must steal from the responsible to give to the irresponsible under a concept called socialism.

The concept of tolerance that many say is progress, has brought great shame on the Catholic Church.

I don't call that progress.

Progress is when you reduce human suffering, not increase human suffering.

I believe there would be little need for executing if there was more rebuke.

The Church needs to rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State needs to rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

Human suffering will never be eliminated, but I believe the least human suffering will exist when people live the Christian Lifestyle after accepting Jesus Christ as Lord/Savior and committing to following the commandments/doctrines of the Bible.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

The concept of tolerance that many say is progress, has produced two million deaths per year due to AIDS and a 40% illegitimacy rate that represents instant poverty, where the government must steal from the responsible to give to the irresponsible under a concept called socialism.

Your postulated Gay = AIDS canard has been debunked long ago, Clirus. Besides which, where is the proof that illegitimacy represents 'instant poverty'? As I said before, you believe much, but prove little.

Progress is when you reduce human suffering, not increase human suffering.

And your ideology, if ever effected, would increase human suffering, hence it is antithetical to progress.

The Church needs to rebuke sin/evil in obedience to God and the State needs to rebuke/execute evil/sin for health, safety and economic reasons.

Trouble is you've failed to establish the 'health, safety and economic reasons' for eliminating homosexuals and other groups of people you disagree with.

I believe there would be little need for executing if there was more rebuke.

More rebuke of your perverse ideology? How much more rebuke to you want? Virtually every respondent on this thread, and on countless others, Christian and non-Christian alike, has rebuked your ideology.

 

[sdmsanjose]

Quote by Clirus
I am not going to tell you that you are wrong, but rather that I believe God is both a God of Love and a God of Righteousness.

I agree 100% with your statement above!!