Atheist Universe: Not Impossible

[ToddNotTodd]

...but not knowing origin then how can you know your meaning and in return then know your morality?

I have no idea about the origin of the universe. I have a moral system I follow. Weird, huh?

 

[allhart]

I have no idea about the origin of the universe. I have a moral system I follow. Weird, huh?

Well you can't have space, time and matter by chance bouncing around then all a sudden we just have mind. Also what is chance, it is nothing. It is something to explain nothing. What you don't know or don't want to know!

At least your Honest, my friend! I do whole heartily respect you for that!

 

[allhart]

The real point is the atheist are try's to take science to disprove God and can't logically get far from there creationist story for the logic in it!

 

[Belk]

The real point is the atheist are try's to take science to disprove God and can't logically get far from there creationist story for the logic in it!

Any atheists trying to use science to disprove God is in the exact same boat as a theist who tries to use science to prove God.

 

[allhart]

Any atheists trying to use science to disprove God is in the exact same boat as a theist who tries to use science to prove God.

Intent is prior to content that is my point, but when the evidence is unknown to origin to science. They still us philosophy, but then the can't define mind, but us mind and chance. It's insane! Who can rationalize insanity? At least God is logical in the explanation to all of life. Even if people tend to want to do it their way, not God's way!

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Intent is prior to content that is my point, but when the evidence is unknown to origin to science.

There is no evidence as to the origin of the universe, if that's what you mean.

They still us philosophy, but then the can't define mind, but us mind and chance.

OK, that's not even English, that's just a string of English words. Fair doos if English isn't your first language, but you really need to start making sense if you want to have a discussion.

It's insane!

My thoughts exactly...

Who can rationalize insanity? At least God is logical in the explanation to all of life.

It's logically coherent in its most general form, but so what? Pretty much every hypothesis and theory ever proposed in human history has been logically coherant. Newtonian mechanics was logically coherent.

The thing we really care about is evidence. Like it or not, the evidence support a) that life on Earth is descended from a single common ancestory, b) the universe has been expanding for 13.5 billion years, a phenomenon called the Big Bang, c) the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and life has been evolving for 3.5 billion years, d) dark matter permeates the universe and makes up ~75% of its total mass, e)... etc.

We have no evidence on the origin of the universe, and we freely admit that. It's a mystery. But it's illogical to take that absence of knowledge and infer that God must be behind it all. "I don't know how it happened, therefore God must have done it!" is illogical.

 

[Belk]

Intent is prior to content that is my point, but when the evidence is unknown to origin to science. They still us philosophy, but then the can't define mind, but us mind and chance. It's insane! Who can rationalize insanity? At least God is logical in the explanation to all of life. Even if people tend to want to do it their way, not God's way!

You find it logical. I do not. I see no evidence for God that does not work equally well as evidence for a host of other explanations.

 

[quatona]

The real point is the atheist are try's to take science to disprove God and can't logically get far from there creationist story for the logic in it!

I don´t know any atheist in their right minds who try to "disprove God". Concepts like "God" do not fall in the competence of science, and every atheist I know knows that.

 

[roflcopter101]

Out producing

Out-reproducing. Having more kids than someone else.

ya know you are living from the blessings of our forefathers of the last 233 years, but those days are running out. Your freedom will be gone on the other side of the token. Ya'll think your smarter than Benjamin Franklin and alike . When actual reality you are digressing. You don't know to hold on to freedom. For you have had it your entire life, so out of discourse you take freedom to keep peace. While you give yours away in return. Sense the beginning 233 years we have given up our freedoms and people sit and contemplate on how to fix more social issues in and around morality(While people walk away from morality as a whole), but not knowing origin then how can you know your meaning and in return then know your morality?

How is freedom relevant to the validity of atheism? It's not like I'm giving up freedom by arguing against creationism.

So people think they are neanderthal girl catchers lol. Well what makes people think that evil warriors are the best life style life can offer. Whats wrong with being a WARRIOR OF GOD!

What?

If you want to be real about social issues you better thank your lucky stars your in America and you need to preserve freedom to worship. For if you don't preserve Christians right to worship then you will have Sharia law!

I'm not questioning the right of Christians to worship more than I am the stuff that Christians actually believe in.

Sharia law, in its purest, unrefined form, is comparatively intolerant in modern-day terms toward apostasy and blasphemy. However, some modifications can easily make Sharia a viable, democratic law system in modern countries. And interestingly enough, Sharia law pioneered the concepts of law education, international law, presumption of innocence, and inalienable rights, while arguably inspiring English common law and US law. Condemnation of Sharia should be limited to extremist interpretations.

 

[marksman007]

If you know without a shadow of a doubt that the devil exists, you must have some pretty good evidence. Mind sharing that evidence with a non believer?

I am only posting this as you cannot see the obvious. The bible says that the devil spends all his time stealing, killing and destroying. Jesus said that he had come to give abundant life.

In my country, child abuse has doubled in ten years. That is destroy=satan.

100,000 babies are murdered in the womb each year. That is kill=satan

Rape is on the increase. That is destroy=satan.

Unprovoked violence is on the increase. That is destroy=satan.

Greed brought about the financial crisis. That is steal=satan.

Suicide bombers killing women and children. That is kill=satan.

The media is sexualising young girls. That is steal (their innocence)=satan.

Suicide amongst young people is on the increase. That is kill=satan.

Pornography is destroying relationships. That is destroy=satan.

Drugs are destroying lives and killing them. Kill and destroy=satan.

Paedophilia is destroying lives. Destroy=satan.

Recreational sex is destroying people emotionally. That is destroy=satan.

Homosexuality is destroying lives. That is destroy=satan.

Gambling is breaking up families. That is destroy and steal=satan.

Not one of these examples are indications of abundant life.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I am only posting this as you cannot see the obvious. The bible says that the devil spends all his time stealing, killing and destroying. Jesus said that he had come to give abundant life.

In my country, child abuse has doubled in ten years. That is destroy=satan.

100,000 babies are murdered in the womb each year. That is kill=satan

Rape is on the increase. That is destroy=satan.

Unprovoked violence is on the increase. That is destroy=satan.

Greed brought about the financial crisis. That is steal=satan.

Suicide bombers killing women and children. That is kill=satan.

The media is sexualising young girls. That is steal (their innocence)=satan.

Suicide amongst young people is on the increase. That is kill=satan.

Drugs are destroying lives and killing them.

Paedophilia is destroying lives.

What makes you think any of the above is to do with Satan?

Pornography is destroying relationships.

Recreational sex is destroying people emotionally. That is destroy=satan.

Homosexuality is destroying lives.

Source? How do any of these three destroy lives, people and relationships?

 

[Tinker Grey]

It seemed to me even while I was Christian that man's own predilictions were enough to sufficient to explain man's bad behavior--Satan isn't necessary.

 

[david_x]

It seemed to me even while I was Christian that man's own predilictions were enough to sufficient to explain man's bad behavior--Satan isn't necessary.

*predilections

It's so true, our fallen nature is bad.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I am only posting this as you cannot see the obvious. The bible says that the devil spends all his time stealing, killing and destroying. Jesus said that he had come to give abundant life.

In my country, child abuse has doubled in ten years. That is destroy=satan.

100,000 babies are murdered in the womb each year. That is kill=satan

Rape is on the increase. That is destroy=satan.

Unprovoked violence is on the increase. That is destroy=satan.

Greed brought about the financial crisis. That is steal=satan.

Suicide bombers killing women and children. That is kill=satan.

The media is sexualising young girls. That is steal (their innocence)=satan.

Suicide amongst young people is on the increase. That is kill=satan.

Pornography is destroying relationships. That is destroy=satan.

Drugs are destroying lives and killing them. Kill and destroy=satan.

Paedophilia is destroying lives. Destroy=satan.

Recreational sex is destroying people emotionally. That is destroy=satan.

Homosexuality is destroying lives. That is destroy=satan.

Gambling is breaking up families. That is destroy and steal=satan.

Not one of these examples are indications of abundant life.

So you're arbitrarily redefining the term "Satan" to include completely naturalistic phenomena and saying that proves Satan exists. I can use the same faulty reasoning and prove that anything exists.

Actual proof of Satan's existence would only include evidence you can't attribute to something besides the entity of Satan.

 

[Tinker Grey]

*predilections

Thanks. (Er ... but, you missed my poor sentence construction.)

 

[ToddNotTodd]

It's so true, our fallen nature is bad.

I haven't fallen. I'm perfectly upright...

 

[david_x]

Thanks. (Er ... but, you missed my poor sentence construction.)

No I saw it, i'm just to lazy to fix everything. Hahaha.

 

[david_x]

I haven't fallen. I'm perfectly upright...

And maybe a little bit literal.

 

[marksman007]

What makes you think any of the above is to do with Satan?


Source? How do any of these three destroy lives, people and relationships?

Thankyou for asking. I can explain it in a bit more detail. I realise being an atheists, you do not have the same grasp of the spirit world as a Christian does so I do not expect you to understand what I am saying, but it has to be said that we believe this and have no reason to believe otherwise.There are two worlds. The natural and the supernatural. The natural is the one that we can see and the supernatural is the one we cannot see. Both God and Satan reside in the supernatural and make their presence know in the natural.As I referred to earlier Jesus came to give us abundant life. Therefore what he does is towards that end so we can credit all that is good to an abundant Saviour. On the other hand Satan's is only happy when he is stealing, killing and destroying. It is his way of getting back at God for casting him out of heaven when he rebelled against him. Originally, Satan was named Lucifer and he was one of the top three angels along with Gabriel and Michael who are arch angels. Satan wanted to be God himself but as he was not created for that purpose he was usurping his position. Because he wants to steal kill and destroy anything that is of God's nature, is a product of his work. In Ephesians 6:12 Paul says "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms."Because of this struggle, God will always try to build up and bring light and Satan will always try to steal, kill and destroy. We are either influenced by God or Satan and it will be determined by whoever we submit to. God will not violate your free will and Satan can't unless you let him.That is why the scripture says that anyone who receives him he gives the power to become sons of God. (John 3:16) Now to use one of my examples. God would not sanction or be behind the slaughter of 100,000 babies in the womb. Because man is made in God's image, (Genesis 1;26) it is important for Satan to destroy that image because it reminds him of God wherever he goes. Because he is a coward, he picks on the weakest in society, the babies in the womb who cannot defend themselves. In understanding the world that we live in we know that there is a war in the heavenlies and we take our sides depending on who we follow God or Satan. The reason that christians can resist Satan is due to the cross of calvary. In Colossians 2:15 it says that Jesus, having disarmed the powers and authorities [spoken of in Ephesians 6], he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross [of calvary].This being the case, we are free to be everything that God wants us to be and we are able through his sacrifice to resist anything that would tempt us to steal, kill and destroy. That is left to Satan and the things I listed are the result.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Thankyou for asking. I can explain it in a bit more detail. I realise being an atheists, you do not have the same grasp of the spirit world as a Christian does so I do not expect you to understand what I am saying, but it has to be said that we believe this and have no reason to believe otherwise.There are two worlds. The natural and the supernatural. The natural is the one that we can see and the supernatural is the one we cannot see. Both God and Satan reside in the supernatural and make their presence know in the natural.

[snip]

I think we're all familiar with the story. I think the question is what credible evidence do you have that demonstrates that the story is true? Simply saying (like you did before) that because bad things happen, Satan necessarily exists doesn't work, because any religion can say "Because bad things happen, [insert bad entity here] must exist."