Atheist Universe: Not Impossible

[Wiccan_Child]

And you criticise us for dodging the point.

 

[allhart]

And you criticise us for dodging the point.

You still have to make your creation point, right. Let alone the point of origin. What else more is there to say. For your fine with "I don't know" and narrow minded in around the theory of cause and effect on God or Intelligent designer..... and you like to change the laws of nature or dance around them lol

 

[roflcopter101]

You cannot say that the universe was a product of creation because there is no more proof to support that claim than there is to prove that everything simply popped out of nothingness.

 

[quatona]

Curry was a success, but I Don't remember bringing his private life up.

You brought up your private life.

On my sentences I get excited, but I'm trying to slow down, however; you and others can get the broad understanding or picture I'm relaying.

If my broad understanding were correct, your posts would strike me as extremely stupid. So - in order not to do them injustice - I prefer to assume to not have understood their meaning, and suspend judgement until they are comprehensible.

I'm not saying you, but most like to us my inadequacy's as a trump card and that's sad.

Personally, I think that the sad part is that you as the person who is trying to communicate his opinions do not do every effort to be clear.

Thanks for taking the time to write and respond. I hope I'm not the only one getting all the fun here.. I get to love on you and learn about you, plus write

Well, I am not a native English speaker, hence I have more problems than others dealing with and making sense of faulty English.

I hope in the end we get to spend eternity together. Contemplating a new adventure

Personally, I don´t find the idea of eternal life particularly attractive. To be precise, I find it highly unattractive.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You still have to make your creation point, right. Let alone the point of origin. What else more is there to say. For your fine with "I don't know" and narrow minded in around the theory of cause and effect on God or Intelligent designer..... and you like to change the laws of nature or dance around them lol

Uhuh. Come back when you have an actual point to make. I gave my beliefs on the origin of the universe right back at the beginning of this thread. These last few pages, I've just been answering your questions on physics, evolution, and science. If you think this is me making a point, you're sorely mistaken.

 

[marksman007]

Hey allhart, you postings are very logical and sensible but you won't get anywhere with the atheists that have invaded the forum. Their main source of entertainment is to come on to christian forums and bait people with their non-sensical blatherings and the more you get sucked in the more they bait you.

They are NEVER going to accept anything you say, unless the Holy Spirit opens their eyes and there is not much chance of that because they have deliberately said that there is no god but me so they are dammed by their own words.

I have been on other forums where evidence for a creator God has been posted and their response has always been "that is not evidence". What they are saying is that we are not interested in evidence, we are only interested in trying to be as obnoxious as possible and lead as many people up the garden path as we can.

Of course they will deny everything even when they have no answer (you know what that is by the fact that they don't counteract your argument) and when you ask for evidence they usually say "no you provide evidence" so it is a one way street and one which you should not waste your time crossing.

They lead very sad and lonely lives as one of the best aspects of life is to enjoy the beauty and wonder of God's creation and to marvel at the complexity of it. In my garden I go from one flower to another and enjoy the minute detail of each petal and flower and am amazed that God could create such a myriad of plants where not one is the same as the other and not one flower is the same as the other on one plant.

Even more wonderful that every person on the planet has fingerprints that are exclusive to them. Just imagine, God creating 6 billion sets of fingerprints.

The thing that blows my mind away though is that from a minute embryo, which contains everything at conception for a full grown baby to be born, all during conception, not one thing is added to form the baby, it is all there at conception, it just develops and when born it has everything that it needs to live.

I have five grandchildren and it is a daily wonder that even though they all have the same mother and father they are so different in their personalities and physical looks. It is true that we are fearfully and wonderfully made as the Bible says.

The eldest one is a bit shy but is very intelligent and is constantly the top of her class. The second one is going to be a politician as she can converse on almost every topic under the sun and if she doesn't know something she will ask. The third one will make a wonderful wife as she likes to be doing things around the house. Number four doesn't have an ounce of fear and probably will end up being a mountain climber. Number five is only a few months old so we have to wait to see how she develops.

I posted this on another forum and the response was "they will all probably end up deranged and idiots with such a low life grandfather like you."

Come on my little angels and we will have a big hug together.

 

[b&wpac4]

Your description of the great beauty and wonder in the world is wonderful. I wish people would keep that more in mind. I usually don't hear many Christians talking about the beauty of creation and, instead, focus on what they perceive as the corruption of the world.

 

[roflcopter101]

But as an evil atheist hater of all that is cute and cuddly, I must retort.

I have been on other forums where evidence for a creator God has been posted and their response has always been "that is not evidence". What they are saying is that we are not interested in evidence, we are only interested in trying to be as obnoxious as possible and lead as many people up the garden path as we can.

What evidence? Explain.

Of course they will deny everything even when they have no answer (you know what that is by the fact that they don't counteract your argument) and when you ask for evidence they usually say "no you provide evidence" so it is a one way street and one which you should not waste your time crossing.

It is also known as the "burden of proof." As creationists make an affirmative claim, they are obligated to justify it with valid and reliable proof. As we, evil atheists, are attempting to disprove your argument, we need no evidence until we are making an affirmative argument as a retort.

They lead very sad and lonely lives

I come home every day and slash my wrists and complain about how fat and ugly I am and how nobody likes me before crying myself to sleep and waking up the next morning realizing that I haven't done my homework. Obviously.

am amazed that God could create such a myriad of plants where not one is the same as the other and not one flower is the same as the other on one plant.

What makes you think God created it?

Even more wonderful that every person on the planet has fingerprints that are exclusive to them. Just imagine, God creating 6 billion sets of fingerprints.

See above.

It is true that we are fearfully and wonderfully made as the Bible says.

See above.

I posted this on another forum and the response was "they will all probably end up deranged and idiots with such a low life grandfather like you."

Frankly, such a response is extremely impolite. Your family sounds wonderful.

 

[marksman007]

But as an evil atheist hater of all that is cute and cuddly, I must retort.

I didn't know buddists were atheists. And here was I thinking they worshipped a false god. But then if they are atheists, they do worship a false god.

 

[DeathMagus]

That is assumption!

Do you mean "induction is assumption", or do you mean "science is inductive" is an assumption?

 

[ToddNotTodd]

I didn't know buddists were atheists. And here was I thinking they worshipped a false god. But then if they are atheists, they do worship a false god.

Hmmmmm, atheists believe in a god they don't believe in...

It's nice to know that atheists are capable of logical impossibilities. Even a god can't do that. I guess that means that they win and your god loses...

 

[ToddNotTodd]

The whole of society is based upon the notion that man possesses a will of his own. It is the foundation of our understanding of human nature itself. It is why we discuss things like ethics and morality. Such topics would be pointless if man lacked the freedom of will. If man lacks a will of his own, then he is not a moral being. He is not capable of virtue or vice. If that is your perspective, I dont see why you wouldnt advocate the closing of our prison system. Since the people there are not there by acts of their own will.

Whether or not free will exists (I don't believe it does) doesn't negate an important need for prisons, that being the isolation of criminals from society. This decreases the potential harm criminals could do to society. In prison, the prisoner should receive rehabilitation to try and correct the behaviors that put them their in the first place. Those of use who don't believe in free will don't advocate the punishment aspect of prisons, since like you point out, criminals who lack free will shouldn't be punished, just isolated from society.

 

[david_x]

Hmmmmm, atheists believe in a god they don't believe in...

It's nice to know that atheists are capable of logical impossibilities. Even a god can't do that. I guess that means that they win and your god loses...

Not entirely, have you ever heard of duality?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Of course they will deny everything even when they have no answer (you know what that is by the fact that they don't counteract your argument) and when you ask for evidence they usually say "no you provide evidence" so it is a one way street and one which you should not waste your time crossing.

The onus is on the claimant. We'll happily provide evidence if we're the one making a claim (e.g., evolution).

They lead very sad and lonely lives

And you would know this... how? Have you personally examined the life of every atheist?
You lambaste us for being narrow-minded, but then spout off this trite stereotype. And here I thought you were a Christian.

as one of the best aspects of life is to enjoy the beauty and wonder of God's creation and to marvel at the complexity of it. In my garden I go from one flower to another and enjoy the minute detail of each petal and flower and am amazed that God could create such a myriad of plants where not one is the same as the other and not one flower is the same as the other on one plant.

Even more wonderful that every person on the planet has fingerprints that are exclusive to them. Just imagine, God creating 6 billion sets of fingerprints.

The thing that blows my mind away though is that from a minute embryo, which contains everything at conception for a full grown baby to be born, all during conception, not one thing is added to form the baby, it is all there at conception, it just develops and when born it has everything that it needs to live.

Everyone experiences wonder and awe. If you make the leap to God, that's your business, but please don't have the arrogance to think your personal experiences are yours alone.

I have five grandchildren and it is a daily wonder that even though they all have the same mother and father they are so different in their personalities and physical looks. It is true that we are fearfully and wonderfully made as the Bible says.

The eldest one is a bit shy but is very intelligent and is constantly the top of her class. The second one is going to be a politician as she can converse on almost every topic under the sun and if she doesn't know something she will ask. The third one will make a wonderful wife as she likes to be doing things around the house. Number four doesn't have an ounce of fear and probably will end up being a mountain climber. Number five is only a few months old so we have to wait to see how she develops.

As much as I love reading about someone's grandchildren, do you have a point?

I posted this on another forum and the response was "they will all probably end up deranged and idiots with such a low life grandfather like you."

And, naturally, you took that person's vitriol comments as proof that all atheists are mean-spirited, right?

 

[lordbt]

Whether or not free will exists (I don't believe it does) doesn't negate an important need for prisons, that being the isolation of criminals from society. This decreases the potential harm criminals could do to society. In prison, the prisoner should receive rehabilitation to try and correct the behaviors that put them their in the first place. Those of use who don't believe in free will don't advocate the punishment aspect of prisons, since like you point out, criminals who lack free will shouldn't be punished, just isolated from society.

The idea of volition or free will is self-evident and axiomatic. The concept of proof presupposes free will since it presumes that people can be persuaded otherwise. If you or I are determined to believe, think or act a certain way, why would proof of anything be necessary or possible?

 

[roflcopter101]

I didn't know buddists were atheists. And here was I thinking they worshipped a false god. But then if they are atheists, they do worship a false god.

Buddhism (generally) does not encourage the worship of deities. The first Buddha was, for all intents and purposes, a pretty regular guy that managed to figure out the secrets of the universe. Anyways, Buddhism is so loose that you can cut out all the mystical stuff and focus on the moral advice if you really wanted to. So Buddhists don't really worship gods in the way that western religions do.

What god do atheists believe in?

 

[Belk]

The idea of volition or free will is self-evident and axiomatic. The concept of proof presupposes free will since it presumes that people can be persuaded otherwise. If you or I are determined to believe, think or act a certain way, why would proof of anything be necessary or possible?

It is considered axiomatic, it is not self-evident.

 

[Belk]

Hey allhart, you postings are very logical and sensible but you won't get anywhere with the atheists that have invaded the forum. Their main source of entertainment is to come on to christian forums and bait people with their non-sensical blatherings and the more you get sucked in the more they bait you.

They are NEVER going to accept anything you say, unless the Holy Spirit opens their eyes and there is not much chance of that because they have deliberately said that there is no god but me so they are dammed by their own words.

I have been on other forums where evidence for a creator God has been posted and their response has always been "that is not evidence". What they are saying is that we are not interested in evidence, we are only interested in trying to be as obnoxious as possible and lead as many people up the garden path as we can.

Of course they will deny everything even when they have no answer (you know what that is by the fact that they don't counteract your argument) and when you ask for evidence they usually say "no you provide evidence" so it is a one way street and one which you should not waste your time crossing.

They lead very sad and lonely lives as one of the best aspects of life is to enjoy the beauty and wonder of God's creation and to marvel at the complexity of it. In my garden I go from one flower to another and enjoy the minute detail of each petal and flower and am amazed that God could create such a myriad of plants where not one is the same as the other and not one flower is the same as the other on one plant.

Even more wonderful that every person on the planet has fingerprints that are exclusive to them. Just imagine, God creating 6 billion sets of fingerprints.

The thing that blows my mind away though is that from a minute embryo, which contains everything at conception for a full grown baby to be born, all during conception, not one thing is added to form the baby, it is all there at conception, it just develops and when born it has everything that it needs to live.

I have five grandchildren and it is a daily wonder that even though they all have the same mother and father they are so different in their personalities and physical looks. It is true that we are fearfully and wonderfully made as the Bible says.

The eldest one is a bit shy but is very intelligent and is constantly the top of her class. The second one is going to be a politician as she can converse on almost every topic under the sun and if she doesn't know something she will ask. The third one will make a wonderful wife as she likes to be doing things around the house. Number four doesn't have an ounce of fear and probably will end up being a mountain climber. Number five is only a few months old so we have to wait to see how she develops.

I posted this on another forum and the response was "they will all probably end up deranged and idiots with such a low life grandfather like you."

Come on my little angels and we will have a big hug together.

I was going to rebut this point by point but I think instead I will just say I'm sorry you feel that way about us.



Belk

 

[allhart]

Hey allhart, you postings are very logical and sensible but you won't get anywhere with the atheists that have invaded the forum. Their main source of entertainment is to come on to christian forums and bait people with their non-sensical blatherings and the more you get sucked in the more they bait you.

They are NEVER going to accept anything you say, unless the Holy Spirit opens their eyes and there is not much chance of that because they have deliberately said that there is no god but me so they are dammed by their own words.

I have been on other forums where evidence for a creator God has been posted and their response has always been "that is not evidence". What they are saying is that we are not interested in evidence, we are only interested in trying to be as obnoxious as possible and lead as many people up the garden path as we can.

Of course they will deny everything even when they have no answer (you know what that is by the fact that they don't counteract your argument) and when you ask for evidence they usually say "no you provide evidence" so it is a one way street and one which you should not waste your time crossing.

They lead very sad and lonely lives as one of the best aspects of life is to enjoy the beauty and wonder of God's creation and to marvel at the complexity of it. In my garden I go from one flower to another and enjoy the minute detail of each petal and flower and am amazed that God could create such a myriad of plants where not one is the same as the other and not one flower is the same as the other on one plant.

Even more wonderful that every person on the planet has fingerprints that are exclusive to them. Just imagine, God creating 6 billion sets of fingerprints.

The thing that blows my mind away though is that from a minute embryo, which contains everything at conception for a full grown baby to be born, all during conception, not one thing is added to form the baby, it is all there at conception, it just develops and when born it has everything that it needs to live.

I have five grandchildren and it is a daily wonder that even though they all have the same mother and father they are so different in their personalities and physical looks. It is true that we are fearfully and wonderfully made as the Bible says.

The eldest one is a bit shy but is very intelligent and is constantly the top of her class. The second one is going to be a politician as she can converse on almost every topic under the sun and if she doesn't know something she will ask. The third one will make a wonderful wife as she likes to be doing things around the house. Number four doesn't have an ounce of fear and probably will end up being a mountain climber. Number five is only a few months old so we have to wait to see how she develops.

I posted this on another forum and the response was "they will all probably end up deranged and idiots with such a low life grandfather like you."

Come on my little angels and we will have a big hug together.

I thank you soooo much and I and you will see your beautiful grand daughters as family in the house of God forever. I know you love them and keep loving them. For I know you will. For my grandpa showed me what God looks like!(patient kind and loving) My grandpa never condemned me and was always there for me. As Grandparents we get a second chance at our mistakes, with our grand children, as grand parents. While the parents are raising them. We get to love on all of them. As for the forum I need you and your love thank you. The forum kinda reminds me of High school, but when they get out of high school. The supposed, most popular, isn't so popular anymore!

 

[quatona]

The idea of volition or free will is self-evident and axiomatic. The concept of proof presupposes free will since it presumes that people can be persuaded otherwise. If you or I are determined to believe, think or act a certain way, why would proof of anything be necessary or possible?

That´s completely wrong. Determination does not preclude change (of opinion). The change can be determined and not result of "freewill".
Actually I think that the fact that we can not arbitrarily pick our thoughts makes a strong case against "freewill".