At What Point Do You Think You Are Truly Saved?

[BNR32FAN]

define church

The church the apostles established.

 

[RickReads]

That didn’t answer the question. Why can’t you trust the church?

Churches are imperfect, just as people are. There are no commands to blindly trust in doctrines of men.

 

[RickReads]

The church the apostles established.

Here you go, have at it, modern version of the apostle's church in link below.

Difference Between Messianic Judaism and Christianity | Jewish Voice

 

[klutedavid]

Clearly, that would be the point we are saved.

The following explains what side I'm on.

It's the "then what" that some have trouble with, and though I won't argue it here either, that is the reason they created faith only or the "always saved" mentionen in the OP, where it is not a necessity to act or do good and not evil. Or the false doctrine of easy way salvation.

We are saved then and if we truly believe/have faith we will do all that Christ says we must do, and that includes helping the poor/doing good in general, and being good, as good goes for us humans.

If that doesn't happen, we either never truly had salvation and were just going thriugh the motions, or we lost interest due to the temptations of the world, at which point we have no salvation. The loss therof is all described in the parable of the sower..

Is this the easy path to salvation?

Joel 2:32
And it will come about that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord Will be saved.

Acts 2:21
And it shall be that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

Romans 10:13
For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.

The parable of the sower is still valid of course. Therefore, the calling on the name of the Lord, must be lifelong!

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Paul declares so in 2 Timothy 3 and Peter confirms Paul's epistles are Scripture in 2 Peter 3.

Jesus also promised He would bring everything to the disciples remembrance after Pentecost when they received the promised Holy Spirit that would guide them into ALL Truth.

Any other questions on the inspired writings in the N.T. ?

hope this helps !!!

Paul or his disciples post mortem in 2nd Timothy write that all scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching, preaching, rebuking, and training in righteousness - so that the man of God can be equipped for every good work. So if a part of the canon does not fulfill this purpose - does that mean it is not scripture?

A letter by Peter confirms Paul's epistles are scripture - the list of epistles are not listed.

There is the promise that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth, there is not a promise that the bible will lead us into all truth.

 

[RickReads]

Paul or his disciples post mortem in 2nd Timothy write that all scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching, preaching, rebuking, and training in righteousness - so that the man of God can be equipped for every good work. So if a part of the canon does not fulfill this purpose - does that mean it is not scripture?

A letter by Peter confirms Paul's epistles are scripture - the list of epistles are not listed.

There is the promise that the Holy Spirit would lead us into all truth, there is not a promise that the bible will lead us into all truth.

You gotta be kidding me.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You gotta be kidding me.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

18 But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.

Yet people who can't hear, can still receive the gospel.

 

[RickReads]

Yet people who can't hear, can still receive the gospel.

Preaching was emphasized because only a few were literate back then. Reading it works just fine if you can understand the words. Many can`t.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Preaching was emphasized because only a few were literate back then. Reading it works just fine if you can understand the words. Many can`t.

And in countries where the literature is banned, some people meet Jesus in dreams and convert anyway.

 

[RickReads]

And in countries where the literature is banned, some people meet Jesus in dreams and convert anyway.

Yes, but that is uncommon. My point to you simply is that the Bible affirms itself in many places
and per the scriptures, some contact with the gospel is necessary in order for faith to be given.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Yes, but that is uncommon. My point to you simply is that the Bible affirms itself in many places
and per the scriptures, some contact with the gospel is necessary in order for faith to be given.

It is also written in a number of places that God does not show favoritism.

So what applies to the exception, applies to everyone.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

The church the apostles established.

and where is that found today ?

 

[RickReads]

It is also written in a number of places that God does not show favoritism.

So what applies to the exception, applies to everyone.

You making excuses for not reading your Bible?

 

[RickReads]

and where is that found today ?

See link below,

Difference Between Messianic Judaism and Christianity | Jewish Voice

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You making excuses for not reading your Bible?

That's a good one.

(today's study was on patience.)

 

[RickReads]

That's a good one.

(today's study was on patience.)

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The old saying is praying for patience is a sure way to get it tested.

 

[PaulCyp1]

You are truly saved when you enter Heaven. Until that moment, you have the ability to choose salvation or reject it. Some people live sinful lives, but find God shortly before death, and are saved. Other people live "holy" lives, close to God and active in His church, but reject it in their later years, and forfeit salvation.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The old saying is praying for patience is a sure way to get it tested.

I think the tests to my patience are the most memorable, so that probably means I'm not all that patient.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

See link below,

Difference Between Messianic Judaism and Christianity | Jewish Voice

didnt know he was messianic

 

[RickReads]

You are truly saved when you enter Heaven. Until that moment, you have the ability to choose salvation or reject it. Some people live sinful lives, but find God shortly before death, and are saved. Other people live "holy" lives, close to God and active in His church, but reject it in their later years, and forfeit salvation.

Statistically, it would be rare for a person to abandon their religion in their later years.