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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by ChristServant, Nov 19, 2020 at 7:35 AM.

  1. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    Speaking of HERESY the above in bold is 100% heretical and false teaching concerning Jesus not having a real human body. It denies the gospel which at its core is the Bodily Resurrection and Ascension of Christ.

    Paul says if Christ is not Risen from the dead(Resurrected) your faith is in vain and you are still dead in your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:14
     
  2. public hermit

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    The reality is this debate can go on but it will be clear at the judgement. That's when we're saved.
     
  3. Jesus is YHWH

    Jesus is YHWH my Lord and my God ! Supporter

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    That is when salvation is consummated, :)

    And yes the debate will continue on until that Day.
     
  4. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Yes actually I do have more questions. How do you know Peter and Paul actually wrote these epistles? I mean there was the infancy gospel of James and the gospel of Thomas that were not deemed as being authentic. So how do you know that these weren’t forgeries as well?
     
  5. RickReads

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    Jesus also stated that His words will never pass away so they have an eternal quality to them that leads me to believe that God will prevent them from being lost or corrupted. Words of the prophets have a similar quality of permanence.
     
  6. RickReads

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    Really? Seems like a low stoop to me. I have my disagreements with you but I wouldn`t have expected you to say something like this.
     
  7. Dave L

    Dave L Well-Known Member Supporter

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    The problem with this view is we are saved through faith that God saved us. You can't believe he saved you if you think you can be lost.
     
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  8. Jesus is YHWH

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    They attest to it and Peter confirms its Paul. Plus the ECF's attribute all 13 letters to Pauline authorship just as Peter said in his 2nd epistle. Biblical and ECF historical evidence in on the side of Pauline authorship.

    But hey believe whatever you want as it doesn't matter one iota to be if you accept it or not.

    hope this helps !!!
     
  9. Union With Christ

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    True salvation will not happen until judgement day when we are saved from death and hell. Jesus said “He who endures to the end will be saved”. So salvation is a process and journey that we are on as disciples of Jesus Christ and culminates at our death and the return of Christ.
     
  10. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    Ok your argument is circular. You can’t say that you know Paul’s epistles are authentic because Peter’s epistles says it is without first knowing if Peter’s epistle is authentic or not. The only way you have of knowing that Peter & Paul’s epistles we’re authentic was because the church told you so. Paul’s epistle to the Laodiceans was rejected, the “Preaching of Peter” was rejected, and the Apocalypse of Peter was rejected. So my point is this, you trust the scriptures because the men who canonized it said this is the word of God but when these very same men tell you how to interpret them then you don’t trust them. So if you can’t trust these men to interpret the scriptures how can you trust them that they canonized the true inspired word of God? Why do people have such a hard time trusting the church to interpret the scriptures?
     
  11. Jesus is YHWH

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    No the actual disciple's of Peter, John and Paul confirmed they wrote them.

    next........................
     
  12. NerdGirl

    NerdGirl The untamed daughter

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    Good thing the Bible makes it very simple and clear :)

    Romans 10:9 If you declare with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
     
  13. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    You can’t even explain how John 15:6 is possible.
     
  14. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    You are NOW reconciled is what Paul said in Colossians 1:22. And we will remain reconciled as long as we stand firm in our faith of the gospel. As long as we are reconciled to God we are saved.
     
  15. NerdGirl

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    Scriptures that confirm to me, that once you are saved, you belong to God and you always will, no matter what.

    Luke 15:3-7 (Tells me that God pursues and rescues those of His who wander away. The sheep are not lost souls, they're Christians.) Then Jesus told them this parable: “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

    Romans 8:38-39 (NOTHING can separate us from Christ's love. Nothing means nothing!) For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    John 10:28-30 (No one means NO ONE; not us, not Satan! "NEVER PERISH" means never perish!) "I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. I and the Father are one.”
     
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  16. BNR32FAN

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    Amen!! You mean men like Ignatius and Iranaeus for example? The very same men who wrote these.

    “And pray ye without ceasing in behalf of other men; for there is hope of the repentance, that they may attain to God. For ‘cannot he that falls arise again, and he may attain to God.’” (Ignatius of Antioch, To the Ephesians, A.D.110)

    “Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh. But often shall ye come together, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if ye be not made perfect in the last time.” (Didache, A.D.140)

    “That eternal fire has been prepared for him as he apostatized from God of his own free-will, and likewise for all who unrepentant continue in the apostasy, he now blasphemes, by means of such men, the Lord who brings judgment [upon him] as being already condemned, and imputes the guilt of his apostasy to his Maker, not to his own voluntary disposition.” (Justin Martyr, fragment in Irenaeus’ Against Heresies, 5:26:1, A.D.156)

    “Christ shall not die again in behalf of those who now commit sin, for death shall no more have dominion over Him; but the Son shall come in the glory of the Father, requiring from His stewards and dispensers the money which He had entrusted to them, with usury; and from those to whom He had given most shall He demand most. We ought not, therefore, as that presbyter remarks, to be puffed up, nor be severe upon those of old time, but ought ourselves to fear, lest perchance, after [we have come to] the knowledge of Christ, if we do things displeasing to God, we obtain no further forgiveness of sins, but be shut out from His kingdom. And therefore it was that Paul said, ‘For if [God] spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest He also spare not thee, who, when thou wert a wild olive tree, wert grafted into the fatness of the olive tree, and wert made a partaker of its fatness.’” (Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 4:27:2 A.D. 180)
     
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  17. Jesus is YHWH

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    the old bait n switch

    I'm not into games..........................

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  18. BNR32FAN

    BNR32FAN He’s a Way of life Supporter

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    What switch? I specifically said that the same men who declared the authenticity of the scriptures are the same men you don’t trust to interpret them and you just proved me right. There was no switch here.
     
  19. Jesus is YHWH

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    Like I said their writings are not inspired.

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  20. Dave L

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    That's the problem. You can't abide in Christ who saves people if you think you are the savior which can stop saving yourself at will.
     
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