At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision - Poll Vote only here

[Redheadedstepchild]

I can't chose. I think it should be a combination of both, but then maybe I'm niave in thinking it could actually work.

 

[JimfromOhio]

Amen Constance! Only when our eyes are fixed on Jesus can we walk on water! When we take our eyes of Him is when we sink.

Amen

 

[Hentenza]

how in the world are we going to be uniting to all when we're always fighting about who's version is right? All we need is Jesus! Focus on Him only for a moment!

Saucy,

We are focusing on Jesus. removing Christian out of Christian Forums will do exactly the opposite. We can still have subforums for non-christians to ask questions and even subforums for non-christians to debate. But we can't take Christian out without removing Christ.

 

[cygnusx1]

Yes.. I need biblical support for EACH.

come now Jim you know scripture.......

 

[intricatic]

how in the world are we going to be uniting to all when we're always fighting about who's version is right? All we need is Jesus! Focus on Him only for a moment!

Which Jesus?

 

[Addicted2~Jesus]

Witout readin through this entire mess I sure wish there was a third option here.... I would call mysef a conservative, I believe in traditional christian values an while I do not support ALL of the changes, this sure seems to me to be one of those 'havin your cake an bein able to eat it'.

What is so wrong bout minglin wit the "oh so terrible sinners"? THAT is what we are called to do.... so fine, go hide off in your own lil worlds of the congregational fourms an let those who are willin, show the light of Jesus to the unbelievers, in the mens corner, in the marriage ministry etc etc etc.

I do not support either option, we should be a light to the world an we can not do that by hidin away, nor does there need to be a name change in my opinion. While it's an admirable goal to 'unite all christians', it's jes not very practical. Man fowled that up long ago, an only God through His son is goin to be able to unite us under one banner. So change that IF folks jes HAVTA. Otherwise leave it be. Allow the non-believers to interact wit us, let them see our struggles because we have the same ones, but let them also see the hope we have in Christ.

Add a third option please.

 

[baobobtree]

Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

So wait, is option 2 comes to pass, non-Christians are banned from the site?

 

[JimfromOhio]

Saucy,

We are focusing on Jesus. removing Christian out of Christian Forums will do exactly the opposite. We can still have subforums for non-christians to ask questions and even subforums for non-christians to debate. But we can't take Christian out without removing Christ.

I don't see it Christians moving out but rather non-Christians being welcomed to discuss and learn.

 

[Saucy]

Hentenza! You are right and those are some great suggestions!

 

[chrislife]

It seems to me we're being asked to choose between Christians hiding under a bushel and Christians move over.

I wonder what would have happened if Moses had come down with a poll on two tablets.

 

[Saucy]

Which Jesus?

I don't know. I'm just trying to make stuff up

 

[tulc]

Option 1
tulc(no surprise, never did like ghettos)

 

[JimfromOhio]

come now Jim you know scripture.......

Yes I do. That's my point. Biblically, I see CF as an opportunity of the Great Commission.

I want to see people biblically to CF keep out the Great Commission.

 

[Hentenza]

I don't see it Christians moving out but rather non-Christians being welcomed to discuss and learn.

That can still be accomplished without removing Christian from the name. Rules can still be democratic.

 

[heymikey80]

My church spins whole new ministries to work with people outside her walls. We're often doing so by popular vote. And frankly they're good at it -- it just takes effort to be good at it. And we're a small church (by my definition of under 250 members).

I've also seen the cross-posting that has dragged "New Christian" threads into "non-Christian" debate areas. That's a subversive way of pulling new Christians into issues they haven't begun to address in their every day lives. And I don't appreciate that. What screaming would result if I pulled that trick on a non-Christian forum.

The connections have to be treated differently. Why? Because Christianity is a relationship. We do treat Christians from within their environment. Because they've chosen an environment in which we can do more.

Frankly, I see some things that were good about the recent changes. We got a chance to define these boundaries with greater clarity. We tried to tackle some of the problems of governing these discussions. We got larned about the problems moderators have in these forums.

And I'm going to take away two things: a lot more compassion for the moderators in what they're trying to do, and a lot more thinking about where the boundary lines really need to be to do effective ministry.

 

[Grizzly]

Well, it looks like its back to second class citizenry for the misfits, heathens, and those who's worship of Jesus does not fall within the guidelines imposed by the masses. The flirtation with uniting all christians as one body was interesting idea, but ultimately unattanable. Asking True Christians to interact and discuss things as equals with obviously false christians was more than people could bear.

I know that the proposed changes made on 7-7-7 were quite a shock to many of those on the greener side of the fence, and I felt badly for those who felt like the gates had been flung wide open. But now my sympathies have swung back with those on the wrong side of the tracks who spent so much of their time and effort in the past three weeks trying to make a more open CF work, and will now be ushered back into the basement.

Personally, I am ok with whatever the majority (and Erwin) decides what is best for the board. I have been a member here for 5 years, but six months ago I stopped posting because the rules had become so restrictive and complicated and the infraction/warning/banning system made me feel like I was back in middle school ( i am still waiting for someone here to think of a way to put users in detention). I came back after 7-7-7 thinking that perhaps we all could design a better discussion board for everyone, but now I realize that I was never a part of that "we". I have come to realize that I and others will always be outsiders here. And so be it. I hope the majority here find their time at CF to be an enjoyable and edifying experience. As for me, I believe I will probably limit my online participation to places that recognize me as a member of the community.

Peace to all

Grizz

 

[Pats]

If we cannot defend our faith and want to hide then how can we be seen? Jesus says we are to be a light unto the world. Who knows how many God has saved out of our debates and our talking.

I agree. I like the new direction CF is taking and I hope it can continue along that path.

 

[Uphill Battle]

I won't vote for censorship. Option 1.

 

[KAG]

FWIW, If I had to choose (and I have), I guess I'd have to go with option 1. I have to ask though why the need for a new redirection for CF - as I understood it, this site, as of the 7th, was heading for a new, surer, open and inclusive path that was relayed to Erwin by his deity. In any case, it would be interesting to see what becomes of CF (I just hope they leave us - at the very least - Debate section).

 

[Brennin]

Well, it looks like its back to second class citizenry for the misfits, heathens, and those who's worship of Jesus does not fall within the guidelines imposed by the masses. The flirtation with uniting all christians as one body was interesting idea, but ultimately unattanable. Asking True Christians to interact and discuss things as equals with obviously false christians was more than people could bear.

I know that the proposed changes made on 7-7-7 were quite a shock to many of those on the greener side of the fence, and I felt badly for those who felt like the gates had been flung wide open. But now my sympathies have swung back with those on the wrong side of the tracks who spent so much of their time and effort in the past three weeks trying to make a more open CF work, and will now be ushered back into the basement.

Personally, I am ok with whatever the majority (and Erwin) decides what is best for the board. I have been a member here for 5 years, but six months ago I stopped posting because the rules had become so restrictive and complicated and the infraction/warning/banning system made me feel like I was back in middle school ( i am still waiting for someone here to think of a way to put users in detention). I came back after 7-7-7 thinking that perhaps we all could design a better discussion board for everyone, but now I realize that I was never a part of that "we". I have come to realize that I and others will always be outsiders here. And so be it. I hope the majority here find their time at CF to be an enjoyable and edifying experience. As for me, I believe I will go back to the rock I crawled out from.

Peace to all

Grizz

I think you are a nice guy and have something to add to CF, but I also think CF should only be staffed by Christians (excluding Mormons).