At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision - Poll Vote only here

[Mayflower1]

I guess now it is time for me to get out of the middle. I have been debating with myself lately on whether or not I agreed with the new changes on Christian Forums. And I think there should be a healthy medium between the two where there could be outreach as well as keep Christian Forums a "Christian" community.

It could be a "Mission Forum" where the main purpose is to evangelize the spiritually lost... I do believe there should be a place to grow in Christ-like character and build up believers spiritually still... and that does require Christian-only sections. Really a church is good to reach out to unbelievers, but the real purpose of a church is to worship and serve God, as a "Body of Christ." Is this forum a church? As a whole it is not. It is in integrated sections though that I have seen, and have started to actually go in more.

But I also would like to evangelize. I had an interview I had used for an evangelism tool, but I didn't realize it was considered spam to post it like 25 times all over CF.

As Christians, we should really reach out more, find new ways for outreach. Keep sections for both non-Christians and Christians, keep sections for just christians, but have ONE definition for Christian... for there can only be one truth and people really need to know the one truth that Christian Forums stand firm in.

Should non-believers be moderators? I think in some sections that wouldn't be bad. SparkleCat for one is awesome. I have been watching my kitty! For Christian-only sections though I think that only Christians should moderate there or the name wouldn't really mean much if the leaders were unbelievers themselves.

So, I think I am out of the middle now... I choose option 2. A Christian Community with an evangelical mission.

 

[Timothy]

Until you can tell me that staff investigated what was going on in your bedroom, you have nothing to say to me about 'power' or 'fair treatment'.

I'm not convinced as an ex-staff member I ever cared about what went on in anyone's bedroom...

 

[Stormy]

Are you obsessed with power?

A Christian ministry should be run and administrated by Christians. Otherwise, it makes no sense to call it a Christian ministry. Nobody is saying non-Christians are incapable of treating Christians with fairness and dignity, the problem is in that distinction:

1. Simple Message Board
2. Christian Ministry.

Which one is it?

Thank you! There you have it!

In very simple terms that everyone can clearly see.

This is what you are voting on....

Option 1 Simple Message Board

Option 2 Christian Ministry

 

[Miracle Storm]

I voted option 2

I know where we were then. Granted CF was not perfect, and there were steps that could have been taken to open the doors and yet keep a Christian contol of the forums. I hope that is where we will one end up after all this dust settles. That is where option 2 can take us.

But option 1??!! NO! There are plently of secular sites on the web. Why should our Christian Forums be forever altered to the point that the name would need to be changed? Yes, I have heard the Atheists saying that it is the Christian thing to do. I do not agree. As Christians, we have needs too. It is very important that we maintain a forum where we can encourage each other in our faith, as well as reach out to others. Option 1 is taking that away from us. It is giving CF to the secular society. I say NO!

 

[Mary_Magdalene]

I havent read all the replies so forgive me.

I think I need specifics on the following before voting:

-icon changes
never like the icon thingy. i dont think it is our job to say who is a Christian and who is not.


-Open Christian areas
like the open areas.


-non-christians on staff
i am strongly against this. If this is a Christian website, staff need to all be Christians.


-open staff areas
Don't care either way. I have never said anything in the old staff areas i wouldnt say to anyone's face anyway.

 

[Goodchild]

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[Miss Shelby]

If option number one were to include removing the Christian title from this board altogether and making it a generic board, I'd have gone with number one. Making it a board with 'a strong Christian influence and outreach to Non Christians does not a generic messageboard make.

But since I do not believe that to be the case I went with option number 2. If it's going to be titled a Christian board, I think the rules should reflect that.

 

[Goodchild]

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[sc4s2cg]

i'm not about to read thru all 19 pages here bc i have to run to the grocery stopre but is this poll saying that if option 2 wins out then non-christianas can't be mods? if so then i am COMPLETELY against that.

Yes, basically:

Option one: New CF with (possible...I think) name/mission change
Option two: Old CF.with no name/mission change

G-d bless,
sc

 

[intricatic]

And intricatic, I plan on voting #2. Cause I want you to have all that wonderful, delicious power. And then when you're all done using it to drive out the heathens and unclean you can turn on each other again just like you all did before and rip each other to shreds. But I want it to happen with no non-christians here at all, so that you won't have us to blame your problems on any more. Then maybe you can all start acting the way Yeshua claimed his true followers would. Your fruit is showing, and it is rotten.

The problems at CF were never about non-christians or non-nicene christians, it was always about the nicene-compliant christians who viewed this site as a means to hold 'power' over others. And it was used and abused with alarming frequency.

Until you can tell me that staff investigated what was going on in your bedroom, you have nothing to say to me about 'power' or 'fair treatment'. Thank you.

Way to misconstrue what I'm talking about.

 

[intricatic]

Very inaccurate.

I had staff members hounding me demanding to know what kind of person shared my bed with me.

I have had staff and former staff members make flagrant lies about me.

What part of any of that has to do with "preaching the gospel"?

None of it. Nobody's saying a reform isn't necessary, just that Christian ministries are universally run by Christians. Period.

 

[cygnusx1]

So- we can vote on if Erwin's vision of CF stays or goes? Or are we voting just for the name change because the new vision is sticking around no matter what?

that is what i was stumped over , guess it's just a question of name change "to reflect the current status"


mmmmmm,


something like welcome to CF -

Collectable-Forums

'Cumenical-forums

Chaos-Forums

 

[Timothy]

Way to misconstrue what I'm talking about.

I'm watching excellent classic flame-baiting and trolling behaviour coming from goodchild, Intricatic, so I rather think I'm going to ignore him.

 

[*Starlight*]

Keep sections for both non-Christians and Christians, keep sections for just christians, but have ONE definition for Christian... for there can only be one truth and people really need to know the one truth that Christian Forums stand firm in.

But there's no such thing as one definition of a Christian, because different Christians have different definitions. For example, when the Nicene Creed was used, there were Christians who were excluded by it, and it was wrong for a site which claims to unite all Christians. That's why it's better to allow each member to just define themselves.

 

[Hentenza]

Option 2 is what I joined so guess which one I voted for.

 

[intricatic]

I'm watching excellent classic flame-baiting and trolling behaviour coming from goodchild, Intricatic, so I rather think I'm going to ignore him.

Good advice.

 

[intricatic]

Option 2 is what I joined so guess which one I voted for.

Option 1 1/2?

 

[Goodchild]

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[Timothy]

But there's no such thing as one definition of a Christian, because different Christians have different definitions. For example, when the Nicene Creed was used, there were Christians who were excluded by it, and it was wrong for a site which claims to unite all Christians. That's why it's better to allow each member to just define themselves.

No. Some people weren't Christians so they were excluded by it. No Christians have ever been excluded by it, just non-Christians who believed Christianity was something contrary to its very nature.

 

[Timothy]

America is often described as a "christian nation", yet it in no way is run with only christian input. Can a message board not similarly be a "christian site" that deals mostly with discussion about christianity but also with input from others?

America is only described as a Christian nation by those who have no clue what Christianity is.