At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision - Poll Vote only here

[*Starlight*]

A safe social community site with a heavy and strong Christian influence (with the vision being to offer a safe online community, and a secondary vision being to allow Christians to outreach to non-Christians) along with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians that moderators should be ONLY Christians. Non-Christians can vote and be moderators in non-Christian sections.

This would be ok if it was "uniting Christians" instead of "uniting mainstream Christians". It was really unfair when CF was treating some Christians as better than other Christians, who were basically the same as non-Christians in CF rules.

 

[LilLamb219]

How magnanimous of you to allow us to exist as targets for your evangelization rather than as equal human beings with thoughts and feelings of our own

No one said anything about equal or unequal.

 

[cygnusx1]

The issue here is whether CF's name should be changed

only if Christian means anything you want it to mean.

and its vision modified

i am not sure if this is refering to Erwin's vision , cf's vision or God's vision ........ either way , God's vision is clear and needs no adjustments.

to reflect its current framework.

now that is some question !

 

[Charles YTK]

I voted option 2. But I think there should be a place where Non-believers can post debate and ask question. Perhaps there could be a system where they can “tap someone on the shoulder” in any forum with an invitation to have conversation in that open forum area, more like a fixed message with only the invitation and a link.

Also I would want all Jewish sects to have access even if they do not yet believe because our mission is to be to them (Judea, the Jews) first and then to the ends of the Earth. Our faith is rooted in Judaism,,, is really a sect of Judaism and they should have full access. We have much to learn from each other.

Shalom,

Charles

 

[Goodchild]

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[sc4s2cg]

I would strongly favor a return to CF as a Christians-only site. This does not preclude outreach to non-Christians. The original model was excellent, because it allowed for non-Christian areas, but had forums restricted to believing Christians, and did not allow non-Christian moderators. As has already been said, we must reach out to the world without becoming conformed to the world. Would a church appoint an unbelieving elder or pastor? If not, then why would we have non-Christian moderators? For the same reason, I would strongly favor a return to the old CF.

That is the question of the debate right now.

Is CF a church wishing to unite all (mainstream) Christians? Or is CF a site where (all) Christians can come to unite and non-Christians come to see how a Christian community works?

G-d bless,
sc
Ps. Even in a (mainstream) church non-Christians are allowed to attend Bible meetings, sermons, worship, financial meetings, etc...no?

 

[kimber1]

i'm not about to read thru all 19 pages here bc i have to run to the grocery stopre but is this poll saying that if option 2 wins out then non-christianas can't be mods? if so then i am COMPLETELY against that.

 

[Ahavah]

I voted "Other"...oppps..I guess there is no "other".

This place is a place filled with alot of diverstiy.
Calling it a "Christian" forum ONLY... seems to cause alot of strife. It's just another "Label" which causes another wall to be put up and the complaining begins.
Eveyone wants to be considered a Follower of Jesus, but how people represent that walk is completely between them and God.
How can anyone define thier heart?
Do they call it a "Christian" heart?
Then you have to define a "Christian heart"..and it goes on...and on..trying to define beliefs. Will it ever end?

 

[intricatic]

Undisguised glee at the prospect of telling others that they have nothing to offer and are incapable of treating christians with fairness and dignity.

This is the 'Good News' you offer us?

Are you obsessed with power?

A Christian ministry should be run and administrated by Christians. Otherwise, it makes no sense to call it a Christian ministry. Nobody is saying non-Christians are incapable of treating Christians with fairness and dignity, the problem is in that distinction:

1. Simple Message Board
2. Christian Ministry.

Which one is it?

 

[PaladinValer]

I'm going to vote Choice 2, but I'd like publically state that some reforms were good and necessary.

What really killed most people was the whole "wiki" idea. We need to have a standard. I believe there should be an actual universal standard ruleset, including who is considered Christian (Nicene Creed again please) while the option of individual forums to have additional special guidelines that cannot contradict the standard rules.

I do think however that non-Christians should be allowed to have increased access. That was a good idea and I'm still behind that.

Oh, and you (Erwin) might want to adjust the poll's votes since some unscrupulous people are using socks to vote twice.

 

[CaDan]

I would hate to think that the takeaway lesson here is that hard, abusive trolling for three weeks is the way things get done at CF. Unfortunately, that seems to be the case.

 

[Wrigley]

Hi members

This poll, started by drstevej, was PMed to me recently. I think that it does make a good point and I wanted it moved out of the Conservative Christians forum to the Announcement forum to gather input from other members as well.

The issue here is whether CF's name should be changed and its vision modified to reflect its current framework.

This site at the moment is at a cross-roads, and can go either way. It can either become:

1. A safe social community site with a heavy and strong Christian influence (with the vision being to offer a safe online community, and a secondary vision being to allow Christians to outreach to non-Christians) - which will allow for a name change;

OR

2. Return to a more restricted Christians-only site with a heavy emphasis on uniting mainstream Christians only with a less emphasis on outreach, in which case we keep the name.

Bear in mind that options 1 and 2 are both valid - there is a place for either forums.

I think that at this moment members are frustrated because CF is halfway between options 1 and 2, so members are confused as we have a vision that belongs to option 2 but a setup that is more like option 1.

Therefore, I think we need to make a decision.

I'm going to leave this up to the community. I've extended the above poll to 3rd of August.

I will listen to the members here, and will defer to the final decision.

Please feel free to discuss this issue in this thread.

Its kind of a bogus choice.

 

[Goodchild]

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[Timothy]

A Christian ministry should be run and administrated by Christians.

Exactly.

Get of your high horse on 'CF isn't a church', and let's look at it as if CF was a mission agency or a ministry like UCCF (Universities and Colleges Christian Fellowship, also called Intervarsity Christian Fellowship in the USA)--something as an MK who has been with three different missions, my father now director of one I'm intimately involved with.

Missions work with lots of different people, Christians, non-christians and others, Ministries work with Christians. CF is BOTH. A Mission and a Ministry. Where's the big similarity between the two of them?

Firstly: They both have a clear organisational structure from the top down. Mostly they have a much sharper definition of who they want to work for them than CF does, requiring proof of regular church attendance, sometimes theological training.

Secondly: They all have christians in leadership. Some misisons employ local people to do stuff, but there leadership is exclusively Christian.

CF to be either a ministry or a mission needs to have clear rules from the top, and the entire leadership needs to be made up of strong professing Christians. That's why I'm voting Option 2.

 

[Stormy]

I voted option 2

I know where we were then. Granted CF was not perfect, and there were steps that could have been taken to open the doors and yet keep a Christian contol of the forums. I hope that is where we will one end up after all this dust settles. That is where option 2 can take us.

But option 1??!! NO! There are plently of secular sites on the web. Why should our Christian Forums be forever altered to the point that the name would need to be changed? Yes, I have heard the Atheists saying that it is the Christian thing to do. I do not agree. As Christians, we have needs too. It is very important that we maintain a forum where we can encourage each other in our faith, as well as reach out to others. Option 1 is taking that away from us. It is giving CF to the secular society. I say NO!

 

[intricatic]

What a hoot! Obsessed with power? I couldn't give a crap less for power at CF, but I do care a whole lot for fair treatment. Why are you so riled up to make sure that non-christians can't vote or be mods? Afraid that you might lose 'power'?

Why is this about 'power' anyway? Why should 'power' even be an issue here? Is that all you care about, 'power' over non-christians?

btw, it can be both 1 and 2 ... but it is still not a church.

Do I have power now? Do you think I even have the least inkling of being a mod again here? If so, you've got another thing coming.

I was making that statement because you keep on totting this line about being treated unfairly at a Christian ministry, which I can only presume is a statement about atheists and non-believers being moderators. Was that an inaccurate assessment of what you meant to express?

 

[Timothy]

Afraid that you might lose 'power'?

Afraid that the Gospel will be diluted. Power matters little to me. The priority of the Gospel being preached matters absolutely. Non-Christians as moderators is a small step from non-Christians as Admins. Small step from there to the Gospel being thrown out of policy.

 

[CaDan]

Further objection: Since this poll appears to have been originally written by someone who engaged in a three week campaign of trollery, I will never consider the results to be accurate.

With either option, TROLLS WIN!

 

[Babymine]

So- we can vote on if Erwin's vision of CF stays or goes? Or are we voting just for the name change because the new vision is sticking around no matter what?

 

[Goodchild]

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