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At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread (2) - Please Vote in Poll Thread

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IisJustMe

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Just a note ... Among staff who have voted, the current count is:
19 for option 1,
51 for option 2...
I fail to see of what relevance that is at all. As I add it up, there are 1,003 responses (as of 11.48 AM MDT), with a reasonably close vote resulting. Of that, staff (by your numbers) totals 70. Remembering an old saw relevant to the retail business, "The customer is always right."

Well, the members are the customers. The staff serves the customer. It is infantile and childish for an "employee" to leave his job because he does not like trends of change implemented by management. You are also members and at the same time volunteer staff. Certainly you have a vote. But you are a very small minority among the membership. You may abide by the vote of the majority, or be infantile and childish and and quit. Your choice.

As I stated in my initial post, however, the body of Christ is called to witness the gospel to the world. Hard to do when you won't have anything to do with the world.
 
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Just a note...

Among staff who have voted, the current count is:
19 for option 1,
51 for option 2...

Well more than 2 to 1 for option 2...

And quite a number of staff stepped down due to current moves toward choice #1, so it's fair to say that the ratio would very probably have been even greater for #2.

Thank you for that info. Uhmmm just out of idle curiosity why did you feel the need to share that? :scratch: And was that a seperate poll or did mods vote in the regular poll? :)
tulc(just wondering) ;)
 
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People need to stop complaining and get in line with the new ways of things. The new rules are here to stay and I for one like them along with thousands of other members. No one is forcing anyone to come to this forum, if they do not like it turn your computer off, it is really as simple as that.
 
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I personally, would have a problem, if I were not a Christian and when visiting this site a little window comes up and says, "You are not one of us. Therefore, you are not permitted to enter." :cry: :( As a Christian, I still have a problem with it because this is not what Scripture teaches. :preach: Scripture does NOT teach, "Lord, bless us four and no more!" :preach: Christians need to get off their high horse and start acting like Jesus would have us act. :preach: I'm appauled by this poll. What's next? Separating those who are Republican from the Democrats, the Libertarians from the Green Party members? Christianity is not about segregation. Read your Bible, don't wait for the movie.
 
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People need to stop complaining and get in line with the new ways of things. The new rules are here to stay and I for one like them along with thousands of other members. No one is forcing anyone to come to this forum, if they do not like it turn your computer off, it is really as simple as that.
Unfortunately, it's neither that simple nor decisive. The poll will affect what does and doesn't happen here and if some who identify as Christians have it their way, we're headed back to the Dark Ages.
 
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I have not voted in this thread as I am a newcomer and 'one of those' some seek to remove.
I understand the reasons for this and I will not debate them.
I just feel that segregation is the wrong way to go, we all have to share the planet whether we like it or not
 
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Unfortunately, it's neither that simple nor decisive. The poll will affect what does and doesn't happen here and if some who identify as Christians have it their way, we're headed back to the Dark Ages.
It appears that Erwin is not going to let the poll be the sole deciding factor in which direction CF takes. Which is a good thing, I believe.
 
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This thread was split automatically after 1000 replies and this thread has been automatically created.
The old thread automatically closed is here: "At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread - Please Vote in Poll Thread"

i'm chimming in late to this discussion so i hope it is ok for me to give my input on this now, especially after all the changes that have occured already.

i voted for option 1. my reasons are this:
1. for us Christians, i don't see it realistic to go with a more "mainstream" focus. if there was one church that'd be different. the site, in my opinion at least, would have to be on one side of the modern church...which one would it be? Catholic or Protestant? which branches of either one? there are many who believe the branch they are in, is the true Christianity, so for this site to appeal everybody by focusing on one type of Christianity, it seems to me to be unrealistic. there are too many dividing factors to run the site with in terms of religion. if it would descide to make a one set branch of Christianity, i would hope it would be clear what that would be. i'm not saying it wasn't before, i'm just saying if that would be case, or if it would go back to the way it was before.

2. the way CF has changed now, i think is the best. i used to be on staff but i had to step down due to the fact i work a lot at my job now, more so than i did before and things in my life take up a lot of my time. but with that said, the way that moderating this forum is or at least for where i modded at, is not based on a specific theological stance. with the exceptin of no blasphemy which is just common sense for the site, because regardless of what option the site goes with, it would still be a Christian site, and people would need to respect that...just as Christians would need to respect a forum's rules that is a forum of another religion. so that leaves about 99 perecent of the moderation of this forum to be based on more of common sense rules, and just basic moderating rules to keep peace and order. so i don't see a reason to maintain a site different than the way that the site is moderated.

3. coming from a christian pov, in my opinion, the site should be more geared towards showing our faith, the Gospel, however one calls it, in how we post with one another...not how it is maintained/ran.

4. it would be even more realistic to the world around us. at our jobs we work with non-believers. we interact with non-believers face to face everday. we have relations with them. there is no reason, in my opinion at least, to create a fantasy world online by secluding ourselves from the world around us. non-believers of all sorts can do the same amount of good, if not more, than any other Christian on this site.

in ending, this is why i'm thankful to Erwin for the changes. we can now in all areas, have our non-believer brethern (i call them that because i see all humanity, regardless of religiouos convictions, as one) come in for discussion and not pigeon hold them to specific forums that are one, known for horrible conversations that one ruin CF's name, or two, worse yet, ruin the name of our faith, or two, that doesn't pigeon hold period. we can learn from them, as they can learn from us...easier. i'm not saying it couldn't be done before. i'd be a fool if i'd say that. but having it more accessible now, more easier is a blessing. CF, as far as i know now with the changes that have occured, is not an ecumenical council anymore, it is an online forum that can be used for ministry, or for just deep conversation about theological views, or just everyday conversation...the way in my opinion it should be.

that's my .02 for now :) God Bless you all! :)
 
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On the contrary , I do indeed understand the fellowship and communion OF SAINTS very clearly... better than yourself it seems because you think sinners have fellowship with Jesus and he says NOT :-

I really don't know what your trying to say here, I never said any of this. Or even believe that.
 
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I personally, would have a problem, if I were not a Christian and when visiting this site a little window comes up and says, "You are not one of us. Therefore, you are not permitted to enter." :cry: :(

What if some activist gay forums are like that? You feel its your right that they let you in? Should it be your right?


As a Christian, I still have a problem with it because this is not what Scripture teaches. :preach: Scripture does NOT teach, "Lord, bless us four and no more!" :preach:
Bless? God is going to bless those who curse him? Where are you coming from? Am I missing something? Please show me the Scripture that you are basing that on.


Christians need to get off their high horse and start acting like Jesus would have us act. :preach: I'm appauled by this poll. What's next? Separating those who are Republican from the Democrats, the Libertarians from the Green Party members? Christianity is not about segregation. Read your Bible, don't wait for the movie.
You can be all those things and still be a Christian.

But? Can you be an atheist and be a Christian?

Can you be a witch and be a Christian?

When you enter here it states this is a Christian chat room. They want to come in? Then they can. Want to be one us? Then believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
In Christ, GeneZ
 
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I can just picture some serpent in a garden in this forum saying...



"Did God really say?
You shall not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"
God did not say you should not. Surely, God knows on the day you do? Your eyes will be opened and you will be as wise as he is."


In the beginning God gave Adam and the woman a simple command. Did they keep it?

So have we been given simple commands.

Its simple and to the point when it comes to those overseeing this forum.


2 Corinthians 6:14 (New International Version)
"Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness?"


The serpent might add?

"Surely God does not want us joining up in Christian organizations run by those who reject him, because he is afraid we may learn the truth about how he lies. "


So, we should let them in? Because fear not that it could be true? For its not the case.

(But its still a sin because we break a command!)



--~~~~~~~~~o< And, God also did not say?........

1 Corinthians 6:1 (New International Version)
" If any of you has a dispute with another, dare he take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the saints?"

"For, surely God knows the day you do? That you will learn the truth about how God wants us to live, and how we are really living an equal way of life of those who reject him! God does not want you to know the equality of judgment of those who reject him.


That's why God does not want us sharing in authority in overseeing this forum designed for Christians whom he wants to keep in the dark"
(end, serpent)

So?

Let's all reject God's Word. Let's see through the lie that His Word does not lie. Its not written for our good. Its written because God is petty and is spiteful, and vindictive towards those who reject Him...

OK?

Better?

Now...

I say we vote to allow pagans, witches, atheists, and maybe even godless communists to moderate over our [*scratch the word.'our'*] I mean, the world's forum.


Thank you very much.....


In Christ , GeneZ




 
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I have not voted in this thread as I am a newcomer and 'one of those' some seek to remove.
I understand the reasons for this and I will not debate them.
I just feel that segregation is the wrong way to go, we all have to share the planet whether we like it or not

You are new here... We are not seeking to remove you. Some here simply do not want atheists moderating behind the scenes over Christians. Did you come here expecting to find atheist moderating over a Christian forum? Well, did you? :)

May I ask what motivated you to come here in the first place?

When you saw it was a Christian forum? Were you expecting to come in here with the requests you now have for the forum?

Did you really?

You find it in all Christian forums. Right? ;)

I hope some here can see the humor in this...


IC, GeneZ
 
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I say we vote to allow pagans, witches, atheists, and maybe even godless communists to moderate over our [*scratch the word.'our'*] I mean, the world's forum.


And, I think we should also vote for Satan to be vice Messiah.

You with me on that one, too?

Forget God's Word.

I just want to know how you feel about it.

That's all that matters.



t GeneZ
 
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I can only "back" what Gods word allows concerning the body of Christ.

We have to live in the world and tolerate the world but we dont have to "back" anything which is why some of us are expressing our concerns because we are responsible before God what we allow concerning the body. God tolerates sin in the world he doesnt "back" it though.

A non believer for the most part can see if something is a violation but when it comes to discussions between believers that judgment is impared because of the lack of the Spirit. Again as stated before a rebuke would be seen as a flame - witness has already been seen as a flame and rude - when thats the case outreach CANNOT occur. When a member is having issues they can act out of character and need councel and a non believer cannot provide Godly councel to a believer nor can a non believer lead another non believer to Christ and yes sometimes those things happen - i know because i was a mod here. I express my concern out of experience being a mod here.

Quite frankly there are some things a non believer cannot do here as a moderator because they are not equipped to do them and they are far from a mature believer. If the board were just another secular board , that would be different then they would be totally qualified.
 
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