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[Seeker of the Truth]

Vulnerable to what? Hearing other people's opinions? Is that considered dangerous now?

To attack. Call me paranoid, but non-Believers (especially those whom have rejected Christ) are here to attack us.

Because a Christian's purpose is to reach out to non-believers.

err, duh.

However, if those non-Believers reject Christ, they reject us; for we are the body of Christ.

 

[Seeker of the Truth]

Whichever purpose he feels compels him to be there. I'm not in the habit of relegating other people's thoughts for them.

Fine, don't.

 

[Trish1947]

I've never once felt that hearing an atheist's opinion on something was somehow harmful. My faith has always been strong enough to consider their position without jeopardizing my own.

Missed my intent all together. Are we debating among athiests just for debate sake? After they have said time and time again, they don't believe it..then debate is all your going to get along with the ridiculing, sometimes from both sides, I admit, but what is being accomplished other than page count?

 

[stranger]

did someone seriously just refer to nonChristians as guests?????

You seem not to love your enemies ... nor to relaise that everyone was a non-christian before becoming a nominal christian , even you ...

So how would you see the 'love' of christians who rejected you just because you did not yet get given faith by God ?

C'mon, you say mean people suck, but you are being far more unloving than just mean, and prejudging who will believe by the time Jesus comes... there is loads of time for you to lose your faith, and for others to gain theirs... why be so nasty to people who may be saints , who may go into the kingdom before you even , just because they do not yet believe?

Jesus has said that ALL will believe in him eventually, does it really matter when? You only shut yourself away from him by being unloving to anyone, think on it and change your mind about judging who is an 'unbeliever' long before God [alone] makes that call...

 

[Angel4Truth]

Beast when you stop posting racism posts to describe allowing non believers to call themselves believers basically since you claim you wish to be totally equal to the body of Christ ill respond to you.

Your arguments here arent valid because they are aples and oranges. If you wish to be equal to the body you have to be part of the body. You cannot reject it and then also demand to be part. Thats a contradiction in terms.

 

[Samuel_Rigby]

Because a Christian's purpose is to reach out to non-believers.

I find it terribly ironic that many who are now saying we should be reaching out to unbelievers are the same ones who say we should not witness to unbelievers because it would be too confrontational.

The opinion I get is that many people on this site do not want there to be any distinction between believers and unbelievers. And when believers try to make the point that a distinction must be made as mandated in scripture, then suddenly they are labeled as being discriminatory, bigoted, hateful, etc., etc., etc.

 

[Dannager]

To attack. Call me paranoid, but non-Believers (especially those whom have rejected Christ) are here to attack us.

That really does sound a little paranoid. And, to be honest, our religion has certain aspects that deserve to be criticized. Christians tend not to do enough of it themselves.

err, duh.

However, if those non-Believers reject Christ, they reject us; for we are the body of Christ.

You have an opportunity to share your faith with them, but instead it seems like you're just writing them off as irredeemable. That's never the case.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Only if they aren't disgusted by the way that they're shown the truth. Shoving a Bible in someone's face isn't going to get you or them anywhere. It is possible to harm the faith by trying to spread it incorrectly.

Saying a non believer isnt part of the body of Christ is the truth.

I wont lie to anyone and think it will win them to Christ. I dont apologise for the truth either.

 

[Dannager]

I find it terribly ironic that many who are now saying we should be reaching out to unbelievers are the same ones who say we should not witness to unbelievers because it would be too confrontational.

I'm pretty sure I've never said such a thing. Where are you getting this from?

 

[Dannager]

Saying a non believer isnt part of the body of Christ is the truth.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't afford them the same courtesy and respect we afford our fellow Christians.

 

[kimber1]

You seem not to love your enemies ... nor to relaise that everyone was a non-christian before becoming a nominal christian , even you ...

So how would you see the 'love' of christians who rejected you just because you did not yet get given faith by God ?

C'mon, you say mean people suck, but you are being far more unloving than just mean, and prejudging who will believe by the time Jesus comes... there is loads of time for you to lose your faith, and for others to gain theirs... why be so nasty to people who may be saints , who may go into the kingdom before you even , just because they do not yet believe?

Jesus has said that ALL will believe in him eventually, does it really matter when? You only shut yourself away from him by being unloving to anyone, think on it and change your mind about judging who is an 'unbeliever' long before God [alone] makes that call...

ummmm dude? i was defending the non Christians

 

[Beastt]

If the purpose of the theatre is for a black man, what purpose does a white man have in the theatre?

If the purpose of CF is to demonstrate the superiority of Christianity, what purpose is served by showing it to be a belief of discrimination and other words that I won't use because people find them so offensive.

But people should note that it's not the words themselves that are offensive, but the meaning behind them. You want to be able to engage in certain behaviors without having those behaviors properly and demonstrably labeled.

 

[J4Jesus]

stranger
The 144,000 are the Jewish people in the last days who come to the Lord. That is a ALOT of things you mention that could be debated which many churchs do not necessarly believe and are not the subject of this thread so I won't go there.

Anyway, I dont think you are understanding me because most of that has nothing to do with what I am saying. It's being united in the Spirit whether from the time Jesus on earth til now and beyond. Its those born again by the Spirit of God and have been their dead spirit made alive by the Lord.

 

[Angel4Truth]

That doesn't mean we shouldn't afford them the same courtesy and respect we afford our fellow Christians.

and maybe you can show me where ive said otherwise?

 

[Dannager]

and maybe you can show me where ive said otherwise?

Affording them the same courtesy and respect means allowing them to participate in discussions here. And not just the discussions we let them have. All discussions.

 

[Beastt]

Saying a non believer isnt part of the body of Christ is the truth.

And saying a non-Heaven's Gate member isn't going to board the space ship to paradise is also the truth. But that doesn't make the Heaven's Gate member a better candidate for staff or superior to the Christian.

I wont lie to anyone and think it will win them to Christ. I dont apologise for the truth either.

The problem isn't whether or not you will apologize for it, but that you don't understand that truth, without being demonstrated as truth, is as empty an assertion as any other undemonstrated assertion.

 

[Beastt]

and maybe you can show me where ive said otherwise?

It's all over the past few pages. You keep telling me that nonChristians aren't as worthy as Christians here because they're not part of the body of Christ. Telling people they can't go where you and those of your beliefs go is showing them a lack of the same courtesy and respect you show Christians. Telling them they can't be members of staff while Christians can is not affording them the same courtesy and respect you show Christians.

 

[Angel4Truth]

will not respond to slander and posts that misquote me

 

[Dannager]

will not respond to slander and posts that misquote me

You haven't been slandered of misquoted.

You have been backed into an ideological corner, though, it seems.

 

[obsolete]

And saying a non-Heaven's Gate member isn't going to board the space ship to paradise is also the truth. But that doesn't make the Heaven's Gate member a better candidate for staff or superior to the Christian.


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It wouldn't be possible to work on a spaceship you have no way of boarding.