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Well then time to get out there and teach and exemplify good .
Also a good time to pray for direct intervention of Our Lord into these and all matters . Nothing is impossible with Him...
We must live our lives and exemplify as Our Holy Spirit directs us to do. Christianity is a collection of individuals whose diversity is centered on one God and Our love of Him . Miracles are not supernatural in the strict sense of the word they are promised and accepted and are only from God. We do not test God as He does not want that. He wants us to use that free will He has given us to bring ourselves closer to Him. We do that in many ways which include creating places like this. This is far from the only way. It is one small means by which to reach out to all in need and not spend that precious time in argument or discourse. We have indeed stated our opinions and that is good. Now it is up to God and how He chooses to use Erwin and this place to proceed . It is no longer up to us other than to pray and suggest. I have faith all will work out fine.We have an opportunity to do so here. The way the poll looks, a lot of self-proclaimed Christians are passing up on that opportunity.
No, but by the same token, God gives us reason and a conscience for a reason: so that we could use them, and wouldn't have to count on supernatural intervention to solve our problems.
We must live our lives and exemplify as Our Holy Spirit directs us to do. Christianity is a collection of individuals whose diversity is centered on one God and Our love of Him .
Miracles are not supernatural in the strict sense of the word they are promised and accepted and are only from God. We do not test God as He does not want that. He wants us to use that free will He has given us to bring ourselves closer to Him.
Now it is up to God and how He chooses to use Erwin and this place to proceed . It is no longer up to us other than to pray and suggest. I have faith all will work out fine.
Excellent post!Christians should do this:
1) Love God
2) love others
3) Go, and make disciples
Antagonistic/factious man, always do this:
1) Operate on self interest.
2) Gain and use power to further self interests.
3) Complicate, justify, complicate, under the vail of improvement, but in the spirit of destruction.
Titus is one of three pastoral epistles. These letters were the guide to early churches on matters of operation.
This site is not a church, thus all the instructions in these letters would not apply here.
This one does apply, IMHO.
Titus 3:10-11
There should be a place for Christians to escape the factious. There should be a place for Christians to witness.
Never mix Christian and factious in leadership.
My definitions of Christian and factious has worked for me many times.
Titus 3:10-11 says, Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned. NASU
What is your lesson? I do not understand why you do not trust in the suggestions already made including your own. Our power to control these matters is limited on earth and yet all powerful when we have faith in God to intervene. You have suggested and yet you seem to feel doom and gloom. I do not understand doom and gloom and I know that Our Lord is in control of matters. Praying and trusting Him is not a cop out. Trying to do it all ourselves and not giving it to Him is futile frustration and that is what I am sensing in your post. God will never forsake us and if that is coping out in your eyes then sorry I choose to trust God and His ways not ours.And yet we are not meant to be an insular group, either. The command is to go out of our comfort zone and into the world.
Then let us use our free will to make a Christ-like statement to the non-Christians here. At this rate, the message we are sending is exclusive and altogether contrary to Christ's message.
This seems like a tremendous cop-out to me. God gives us free will - and yet, since God is in control, everything is going to turn out okay with this site?
I don't really think that's how it works. I think that God gives us free will, and if we choose to abandon the resources He has given us - again, our reason and our consciences - then He will not hesitate to let us live with the fruits that we reap until we have learned our lesson.
Excellent post!
Man has to ask himself does he want to do what is right and true and live according to what Christ teaches. Or what he has been doing for hundreds of years...ask himself can it be done and how will it effect me?
What exactly to you mean by "putting God in a box?" Explain yourself.How dare you attempt put my God into a box by baselessly associating His Word with your own narrow agenda.
What is your lesson?
I do not understand why you do not trust in the suggestions already made including your own. Our power to control these matters is limited on earth and yet all powerful when we have faith in God to intervene. You have suggested and yet you seem to feel doom and gloom. I do not understand doom and gloom and I know that Our Lord is in control of matters.
Praying and trusting Him is not a cop out.
Thats right. You just hit the nail right on the head. It grew because of the way it was and not the way it is. Thank You for that wisdom !
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You say that "Man has to ask himself does he want to do what is right and true and live according to what Christ teaches. Or what he has been doing for hundreds of years...ask himself can it be done and how will it effect me?"What exactly to you mean by "putting God in a box?" Explain yourself.
Perhaps correct if that was all I said . It was not. Read closer. Who is Edward Abbey ? Excuse my ignorance but I am not familiar with this man.
You have a right to that opinion and it is noted.As CF was previously, was it the embodiment of ideals that we should want to grow and spread?
I didn't find it so.
Yes, absolutely.You say that "Man has to ask himself does he want to do what is right and true and live according to what Christ teaches. Or what he has been doing for hundreds of years...ask himself can it be done and how will it effect me?"
No, you didn't get it clearly. I wasn't talking about the poll options at that point, I was talking about man's options. Of the two poll options, #2 is best, yes. However, the options could be better. I give you that.KS said:The clear implication is that only those who choose Option 2 are doing what is right and true, and are trusting in God.
The notion that man has options to live by or the poll option #2?KS said:I absolutely and thoroughly reject such a notion;
We cannot judge, but the Lord will according to His gospel one day. However, this little poll will not be an issue then. Let's keep it in perspective. We are talking about who will be running CF, which is supposed to be a Christian site. How Christians can be so confused by this is amazing.KS said:God is not such a small, simple, worldly being that you can divide those who trust in Him and those who do not between these two options.
Then I will tell you: He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, Noah, Job, Jacob, David and Moses:KS said:I don't know what God you worship,
I never said that God was weak, you did.KS said:but mine is not so weak that He requires us to isolate ourselves from those who believe otherwise.
Then lets all live in hell together.KS said:You say that "we need a place of our own." I contend otherwise. I believe that that is precisely the last thing a Christian needs.
By limiting God you put Him in sort of a box. Using the words your God and my God as if you can possess Him . Neither is correct as you know. I am sure it was not meant .You say that "Man has to ask himself does he want to do what is right and true and live according to what Christ teaches. Or what he has been doing for hundreds of years...ask himself can it be done and how will it effect me?"
The clear implication is that only those who choose Option 2 are doing what is right and true, and are trusting in God. I absolutely and thoroughly reject such a notion; God is not such a small, simple, worldly being that you can divide those who trust in Him and those who do not between these two options.
I don't know what God you worship, but mine is not so weak that He requires us to isolate ourselves from those who believe otherwise. You say that "we need a place of our own." I contend otherwise. I believe that that is precisely the last thing a Christian needs.
No, you didn't get it clearly. I wasn't talking about the poll options at that point, I was talking about man's options.
We cannot judge, but the Lord will according to His gospel one day. However, this little poll will not be an issue then. Let's keep it in perspective. We are talking about who will be running CF, which is supposed to be a Christian site. How Christians can be so confused by this is amazing.
Then I will tell you: He is the God of Abraham, Jacob and Moses:
I never said that God was weak, you did.
Then lets all live in hell together.
By limiting God you put Him in sort of a box. Using the words your God and my God as if you can possess Him . Neither is correct as you know. I am sure it was not meant .
There is only One God . Our God for each and every one of us. Be careful before you throw that word hypocrite around as it is judgmental. Perhaps Matthew did use it frequently but He was attempting to clarify to the masses of people who would read for generations . Here that is not needed.
Who is Edward Abbey ? Excuse my ignorance but I am not familiar with this man.
Got it thanks for understanding...Couldn't tell you without looking it up. What you said just made me think of the quote (I hadn't read far enough in the thread yet to see you qualifying your statement).
The process of leading a person to Christ mostly happens between two people interacting with questions being asked and answered.
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