At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision Discussion Thread (2) - Please Vote in Poll Thread

[Seeker of the Truth]

Maybe you should read what the people are saying and why Erwin suggested an Option 3. (Just a suggestion to keep up with things. )

Where is this "Option 3"?

 

[Boss_BlueAngels]

Why is it Christians are so stinking afraid of non-Christians? They are no better than any of us. And to be honest, I prefer most non-christians to Christians these days. We get so high and mighty we forget that we once were un-saved as well.

Plus, it's a GREAT community here, why spoil everything by booting the non-Christians. If you're afraid of mixing with non-Christians go someplace else. There are plenty of forums here for fellowship.

AND, what makes anyone think it would stop non-Christians from coming here? To be honest, it seems pretty rediculous. Just another way to try and make Christians "better" than everyone else.

 

[Trish1947]

Well the world is totally united most of the time, and the church isn't. So I'm happy that there is a site to work on that, so Option #2 was my choice.

 

[Lindon Tinuviel]

My "Option #4" would be to tear down the walls. What's the point of having "Uniting All Christians as One Body" if there are a kazillion different Subforums where one can avoid being united?

I'm not actually for such a move, mind you, but the whole "City of Gated Communities" thing hasn't ever sat well with me.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Maybe it just needs to be remembered how this site grew so large.

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

I'd like to add my voice to those objecting to the poll. It is flawed, both in it's underlying assumptions and the choices. I feel the current version of CF needs more chance to mature and possible better guidelines set up for the Wikis and voting.

 

[SunMessenger]

Maybe it just needs to be remembered how this site grew so large.

Thats right. You just hit the nail right on the head. It grew because of the way it was and not the way it is. Thank You for that wisdom !

Sun

 

[Mrs.Sidhe]

Well times change and sometimes things need to change with the times. At one time the old way worked. But then it started not to work because of numerous reasons. So it needed to be changed. It can still grow--just people need to give this new system time.

 

[April Angel]

I have always appreciated the mix there has been ever since I have been here.

It hasn't been a general site with a restricted area for Christians. It has been a Christian site with an open are to share with seekers, searchers, debaters, undecideds, etc.

If I go to a place named "Hooters" and am offended by the atmosphere, I can choose not to go there. But if they offer me a section where I can feel safe and welcome and not see anything that offends me, then I may like their food enough to stay. But if I try to get them to change to please me, I am not being reasonable.

If a person comes to a place called "Christianforums" and is not happy being here, they can choose not to return. But if we make them an area where they can be happy, they may choose to stay. If they want the place to change to suit them, they are not being reasonable.

I agree that both options are valid. But there is only one that continues to provide what I have always come here for, Option 2.

CF is oten compared to a church. Do you want a church that is unapologetically Christian and uncompromisingly true to the faith? Or do you want a church that is a safe place with much historical Christian influence. Let's see, I think I know a place like that... It's called the YMCA. The YMCA & YWCA were the Young Men's Christian Association and the Young Women's Christian Association. Now they are safe environments with a historical strong Christian influence. But if you want a Bible study, you are not very likely to find it at the Y.

Erwin, this might be a task that is bigger than you are willing to take on, but have you thought about running 2 sites? Do both. Make everyone who is a member automatically a member of both sites. Make the rules clear on both sites. Then from that point forward, they are two sites, a person joins and/or uses one or both. Then in a truly democratic way, you will see whether either one dwindles away in disuse.

I do get what you are saying though about being either one or the other. It agrees with what God says here:[bible]Revelation 3:15-16[/bible]

Great post!

Let us keep Christian Forums, please.

 

[SunMessenger]

Well times change and sometimes things need to change with the times. At one time the old way worked. But then it started not to work because of numerous reasons. So it needed to be changed. It can still grow--just people need to give this new system time.

No it was working prior to these changes. The online number was always over 3000. That has backed down now. I watch those things being in business for years. There has been a negative difference. Newer is not always right...

Be Well...

Sun

 

[WalksWithChrist]

No it was working prior to these changes. The online number was always over 3000. That has backed down now. I watch those things being in business for years. There has been a negative difference. Newer is not always right...

Be Well...

Sun

Define "working" for us.

 

[eldermike]

Christians should do this:
1) Love God
2) love others
3) Go, and make disciples

Antagonistic/factious man, always do this:
1) Operate on self interest.
2) Gain and use power to further self interests.
3) Complicate, justify, complicate, under the vail of improvement, but in the spirit of destruction.

Titus is one of three pastoral epistles. These letters were the guide to early churches on matters of operation.

This site is not a church, thus all the instructions in these letters would not apply here.

This one does apply, IMHO.
Titus 3:10-11
There should be a place for Christians to escape the factious. There should be a place for Christians to witness.

Never mix Christian and factious in leadership.
My definitions of Christian and factious has worked for me many times.

Titus 3:10-11 says, “Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.” NASU

 

[MarcusHill]

Christians should do this:
1) Love God
2) love others
3) Go, and make disciples

Antagonistic/factious man, always do this:
1) Operate on self interest.
2) Gain and use power to further self interests.
3) Complicate, justify, complicate, under the vail of improvement, but in the spirit of destruction.

...
There should be a place for Christians to escape the factious. There should be a place for Christians to witness.

Never mix Christian and factious in leadership.

False dichotomy? What about those who are neither Christian nor factious?

 

[sahjacq]

I remember sitting at the computer being a new christian and wanting to connect with others as just moved as well, so just typed in to the search engine, christian forums and here I am, I pray erwin can keep this as a christian forum with that title, but with people who are non christian to have access as well, I have no problem with non christians on here and am pleased for their comments and debates, as that is the world and what jesus seeked us to do, to spread his word to all.
Christian forums has become the internet church for us all to enter to become one with the body of christ.

 

[SunMessenger]

Originally Posted by SunMessenger
No it was working prior to these changes. The online number was always over 3000. That has backed down now. I watch those things being in business for years. There has been a negative difference. Newer is not always right...

Be Well...

Sun

Originally Posted by WalksWithChrist
Define "working" for us.

Working as used in that sentence is operating and functioning within parameters which result in a positive flow of ideas and safety with a capability to improve and continue within those same safe parameters.

That is what working meant for me in that sentence...

Sun

 

[eldermike]

False dichotomy? What about those who are neither Christian nor factious?

Are you complicating my post? Why?

 

[MarcusHill]

Are you complicating my post? Why?

I'm not trying to complicate it, and apologise if that's how it came across. I simply meant that you seem to imply that the only two groups of people that you're considering are Christians and the factious. As someone who is neither, I'm just interested in where I stand in your scheme.

 

[1Cor10]

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[Mrs.Sidhe]

No it was working prior to these changes. The online number was always over 3000. That has backed down now. I watch those things being in business for years. There has been a negative difference. Newer is not always right...

Be Well...

Sun

No offense Sun, but I don't think you really have those numbers on a day to day basis to make that kind of claim.

Some days on here are slower and less busy than others--Sunday especially. This is also late summer--lots of people are on vacations or about to go on vacations. You cannot link the new changes with not as many users online.

There is also nothing but your opinion saying that the site is not operating within parameters to allow positive flow of ideas. It seems to me you are just picking on the few negatives right now (as the new system first starts to work--there are always bugs in a new system) and are trying to say base your argument on that.

Or you just don't like the new system period and you are just coming up with "reasons" as to why its not working and why it should be taken down. If it really was not working and there was a big problem there would not be so many people opposed to all 3 options--so its working for some people--just not you.

 

[eldermike]

I'm not trying to complicate it, and apologise if that's how it came across. I simply meant that you seem to imply that the only two groups of people that you're considering are Christians and the factious. As someone who is neither, I'm just interested in where I stand in your scheme.

You would be welcome, but not running the place. You would expect to encounter Jesus, Christians would treat you with respect.