Asteroid Strike

[AV1611VET]

Funny that you have to add stuff that isn't in the Bible though...

Only if the Bible points me in the right direction first.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Wait, do what now?

Some interpret a super brief statement made in Genesis 6 as referring to "giants", and in some cases it gets even weirder than that in the imaginations of some. Genesis 6 very briefly mentions "nephilim were on the earth in those days" when the "sons of God" and "daughters of men" married, giving rise to "heroes of old, men of renown."

This brief statement has been the source of a lot of speculation over the centuries. It isn't helped by the fact that some of literature from the Second Temple period goes into full fantasy mode (e.g. the Book of Enoch) describing a group of angels called "Watchers", i.e. angels commanded to watch over the earth, ended up getting all hot and bothered and hooking up with human women. Producing a race of angel-human hybrids. A look at some this in Enoch (at least in my opinion) shows similarities to the Greek myths of the Titans (Enoch is roughly dated to the Hellenistic period following Alexander the Great's conquests, where Judea was under Greek control and influence). And if you think that's wild, I assure you, the conspiracy theory crackpottery gets much, much weirder (think ancient demon scientists performing genetic experiments).

The standard interpretation, however, in both mainstream Christianity and Judaism, is that "sons of God" simply refers to one group of people, and "daughters of men" to another group of people. The "fallen ones" (that's what nephilim means in Hebrew) are simply ancient legendary figures, "heroes of old, men of renown".

But even though the mainstream opinion is pretty mundane, that doesn't stop the more fabulous interpretations from being put forward.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Funny that you have to add stuff that isn't in the Bible though...

Personally, my favorite story in the Bible is the one about Abraham's pet dog named Skippy.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Yttrium]

It's nice to blame things on asteroids, but this "asteroid-did-it" thing as pertaining to the dinosaurs is a bit much.

Well, finding an large enough impact crater with all the expected widespread effects, enough to cause an extinction event, weighs heavily on the situation.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, finding an large enough impact crater with all the expected widespread effects, enough to cause an extinction event, weighs heavily on the situation.

ASSUMING this is an impact crater etc etc, what makes you think it was powerful enough to render the Bible inaccurate?

If my memory serves me correctly, Sadaam Hussein set the oil rigs in Kuwait afire because a shrewdness of brainiacs sounded an alarm about the sun being blotted out and I can't remember what all else was supposed to happen; and guess what?

Nothing happened.

The fires were eventually put out one-by-one.

And Y2K? well ... let's not go there.

 

[USincognito]

Some interpret a super brief statement made in Genesis 6 as referring to "giants", and in some cases it gets even weirder than that in the imaginations of some. Genesis 6 very briefly mentions "nephilim were on the earth in those days" when the "sons of God" and "daughters of men" married, giving rise to "heroes of old, men of renown."

Thank you, but I was already aware of the giants claim. I see constant references on Facebook Crevo discussions about giant skeletons the Smithsonian supposedly is hiding, the fake femur at a Creationist "museum" in Mount Blanco, etc. Despite that, it's still jarring to see someone take all that at face value and make up an entire extra-Biblical story like ewq1938 did.

 

[lasthero]

Personally, I'm a Doctor Who fan, so I like the idea of a superdimensional ark ferrying many thousands of animals around. God makes a mess of the planet, cleans it all up so that it looks like nothing happened, it's all good. I'm unclear how the populations would spread back over the Earth in the available time, but God could fix that up too. No big deal.

Back on the topic, though, we've got an apparent asteroid strike in the distant past, with dinosaurs showing up in the strata before the impact, but not after the impact. I'm left wondering if that can factor at all into the Biblical version of things, or if there is an unresolvable conflict.

In my experience, creationists will either:

1) Say the asteroid impact didn’t happen.
2)Say it did, but deny that it would have as big an effect as it did.
3) Say it happened during the flood.

 

[AV1611VET]

In my experience, creationists will either:

1) Say the asteroid impact didn’t happen.
2)Say it did, but deny that it would have as big an effect as it did.
3) Say it happened during the flood.

I'll go with 2.

 

[Yttrium]

ASSUMING this is an impact crater etc etc, what makes you think it was powerful enough to render the Bible inaccurate?

I don't. I have absolutely no interest in finding the Bible inaccurate. As far as I'm concerned, it's not the Bible that's in question, it's the insistence of some to stick to certain interpretations of the Bible that conflict with what we find in nature. It's my impression that there are a number of Christians around here who aren't bothered by the idea of any ancient asteroid impact. And of course, we could always be wrong about the asteroid impact and any relationship to dinosaurs, but the evidence seems to be steadily growing in favor of it.

 

[Strathos]

Catastrophic impact events are described in the Book of Revelation. At least, that is one interpretation that can be made.

 

[Garlic Magnet]

Why did any survive?

-CryptoLutheran

On an unrelated note, may I ask why you often sign off with "CryptoLutheran"? Is not that a pejorative term used within Calvinist circles?

 

[ViaCrucis]

On an unrelated note, may I ask why you often sign off with "CryptoLutheran"? Is not that a pejorative term used within Calvinist circles?

Never heard it used that way, though I've heard of Crypto-Calvinists in Lutheran circles, so I suppose that makes sense.. My name on this forum when I first joined, almost a decade ago, was CryptoLutheran. I lost my contact info about a year after that, so I had to make a new account (2011ish?). I chose my current name, ViaCrucis when I did. In order to let people know I was still me, I continued to sign off as CryptoLutheran.

As for why I originally chose CryptoLutheran, I was raised Evangelical/Pentecostal, and in my late teen years and into my early 20's I went through a major period of religious investigation and introspection as to what I believe. The short of that is I ended up finding myself drawn to the Lutheran tradition, but I didn't fully commit to becoming Lutheran for several more years. I was also concerned with how friends and family would act, and so I saw myself something as a hidden Lutheran within Evangelicalism, or a crypto-Lutheran.

That is no longer the case, but the name has stuck, and at this point signing off on my posts the way I do has become an old habit.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Garlic Magnet]

Never heard it used that way, though I've heard of Crypto-Calvinists in Lutheran circles, so I suppose that makes sense.. My name on this forum when I first joined, almost a decade ago, was CryptoLutheran. I lost my contact info about a year after that, so I had to make a new account (2011ish?). I chose my current name, ViaCrucis when I did. In order to let people know I was still me, I continued to sign off as CryptoLutheran.

As for why I originally chose CryptoLutheran, I was raised Evangelical/Pentecostal, and in my late teen years and into my early 20's I went through a major period of religious investigation and introspection as to what I believe. The short of that is I ended up finding myself drawn to the Lutheran tradition, but I didn't fully commit to becoming Lutheran for several more years. I was also concerned with how friends and family would act, and so I saw myself something as a hidden Lutheran within Evangelicalism, or a crypto-Lutheran.

That is no longer the case, but the name has stuck, and at this point signing off on my posts the way I do has become an old habit.

-CryptoLutheran

Interesting. Feel free to join my Facebook group, Augustana Catholic Fellowship. Membership once peaked at 720 but has dwindled to around 385. After an incident, my pastor advised I shut it down and so for a while I did. I plan to remain inactive until a year or so from now. Also, since you're Lutheran, would you care to take a look at my latest thread: https://www.christianforums.com/threads/how-many-books-are-in-your-bible-66-73-81.8116228/v

 

[-57]

Why did any survive?

-CryptoLutheran

Because they could. Reasons have been presented.

 

[-57]

It could just mean "kind", like it says. You're the one saying that kind doesn't mean kind.

-CryptoLutheran

Then YOU tell us what a kind is.

 

[-57]

They live on land, not in the water. They can't survive an extended period in water.

I've already explained floating veggie mats. Spirit lake was just one example. Climb out of your box.

 

[Jimmy D]

Then YOU tell us what a kind is.

He did... sort or type. As in “I don’t like that kind of music”

It’s a common enough word.

 

[-57]

I believe it because I'm a Bible fan.

I find it Kinda interesting that some of the posters here have a christian denomination below their name and they deny the Bible. They say science has disproven the Bible.....then the same "christians" want to believe a dead man rose from the grave on day despite science say's that's impossible.

 

[-57]

He did... sort or type. As in “I don’t like that kind of music”

It’s a common enough word.

The I guess it's settled.

 

[-57]

Funny that you have to add stuff that isn't in the Bible though...

such as????