Moses?
God is certainly Master of time and space.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't physicists believe there are eleven dimensions of space?
Serious question: What if the inside of the Ark was bigger than the outside?
Pre-flood there was no mountains of Ararat. They were formed when the mountains rose up and the valleys sank.Where does it say that mt. Ararat was not under water?
Gen 8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
Understanding this timeline allows for dinosaurs to have existed much more than six millennia ago. It is only when so-called Bible believers lock themselves into a 6,000-year-old world that they have trouble
with dinosaurs.
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We have found fragments of collagen that were preserved iron in the blood. Mary Schweitzer gets angry when Creationists try to hijack her findings.
Mary S isn't the only person(s) who have found biomaterial.
I appreciate the reply. I do not believe everything within Scripture is literal. God is not a rock, or a fortress, and Jesus is not a lamb. These are metaphoric words used to describe aspects of their work or character. But I do believe there are a lot of very literal things and I take creation as one of them. I do, because, if there is a God... I mean an all-powerful beyond the pagan type "river god" or "lake god" or "sun god" then it stands to reason He has abilities beyond our ability to perceive. Could He speak something where nothing existed before? Admittedly that is a stretch for our limited very physical understanding of things around us. But, it is possible. Is there proof? No... there have been papers written that suggest all humanity began from a single pair of humans. Evidence in nearly every culture suggests a world wide flood. More and more archaeological finds, specifically in and around the land of Israel support the stories that are written. So I suggest that it is "possible" a being of great power and knowledge created the Earth as it is written. It would have been built with the appearance of age... Adam not a baby but a man... trees already bearing fruit for him to eat, and so forth. Things that science declares would take many millions of years to evolve... were just there when God said they needed to be there.Here's the thing. Even when I was a practicing Christian (which I was until my very late 20s), Biblical literalism and creationism were anathemas to me. So even if I was a Christian still, almost nothing I wrote would be different (bar maybe some stuff in the final paragraph).
My education was highly religious, but at no point did any priest or lay person teaching me suggest that when the facts about reality and the Bible contradicted each other, it was reality that was wrong. My religious education (Marist and Jesuit, with a smattering of Church of England and Presbyterian teaching) and my scientific education simply didn't treat those concepts as legitimate.
It took me until my mid teens before I actually met anyone that espoused a view in line with young earth creationism. It took me even longer (and a trip to work as a teacher in the US) until I met anyone who was a proper Biblical literalist.
I feel that even if I was (still) a believer, you and I would fundamentally disagree about the facts of reality. So it doesn't matter whether I'm a believer or not. What matters is what can be demonstrated to be real.
What conditions, specifically, killed off the Pyrenean Ibex, or the Carolina Parakeet, or any other now extinct animal I can list. Hunting? Environmental factors? Both? Something else? Animals die...Okay.
So what conditions, specifically, would’ve killed off the dinosaurs, along with other animals that lived alongside them? How did these conditions come about?
Again... the Hebrew language and thus the bible does not break things into the subspecies of animals that MAN has created. A cat is a cat, period. Do I believe in adaptation? Of course... and genetic modification? And selective breeding? Yes... these things happen. And so a cat that is smaller because of it's environment can be bred even smaller and domesticated.... that is all easy enough and it can happen over a relatively short period of time. But the point is... the bible does not break it down to subspecies... just the general species. So, Noach would have not had to carry as much as many think is too much for the story to be real.I’m sorry.
Are you implying that all the cats we see today came from a pair of two?
Are you including housecats in this?
And I do, perhaps to a fault, avoid aspects of science because I know those drawing conclusions and pushing the same on our culture arrived at those conclusions without weighing in whether or not God could have been involved in any way.
Again... the Hebrew language and thus the bible does not break things into the subspecies of animals that MAN has created. A cat is a cat, period. Do I believe in adaptation? Of course... and genetic modification? And selective breeding? Yes... these things happen. And so a cat that is smaller because of it's environment can be bred even smaller and domesticated.... that is all easy enough and it can happen over a relatively short period of time. But the point is... the bible does not break it down to subspecies... just the general species. So, Noach would have not had to carry as much as many think is too much for the story to be real.
Based on my belief in God and His word... that makes more sense to me than believing that the modern bird is yesterday's dinosaur. It lost it's reptilian skin, switched from being cold to warm blooded, and learned how to fly.
Mary S isn't the only person(s) who have found biomaterial.
Pre-flood there was no mountains of Ararat. They were formed when the mountains rose up and the valleys sank.
These are cats: They are each distinct species.Again... the Hebrew language and thus the bible does not break things into the subspecies of animals that MAN has created. A cat is a cat, period. Do I believe in adaptation? Of course... and genetic modification? And selective breeding? Yes... these things happen. And so a cat that is smaller because of it's environment can be bred even smaller and domesticated.... that is all easy enough and it can happen over a relatively short period of time. But the point is... the bible does not break it down to subspecies... just the general species. So, Noach would have not had to carry as much as many think is too much for the story to be real.
When God is not included in ANY possible outcome, on purpose... then science becomes an (anti) religion of it's own.Science tries to find natural explanations for what we see in nature. That's science's job. It's the whole reason we have science. It doesn't matter what the religion (or lack thereof) of the scientist is. The scientist is obligated to use the scientific method. We have religion to cover the supernatural stuff, which science isn't capable of dealing with.
According to how MAN breaks the species down. All I am saying is, whether you agree or not, like it or not... (I don't care).... the language the bible was written in does NOT break it down like that.These are cats: They are each distinct species.
Domestic cat
Leopard
Clouded leopard
Snow Leopard
Tiger
Lion
Jaguar
Cheetah
Cougar
Jaguarundi
Marbled cat
Asian golden cat
Pallas's cat
Rusty-spotted cat
Leopard cat
Fishing cat
Flat-headed cat
Sunda leopard cat
Jungle cat
Black-footed cat
Sand cat
Chinese mountain cat
African wildcat
European wildcat
African golden cat
Pampas cat
Andean mountain cat
Geoffroy's cat
Bay cat
Serval
Caracal
Bobcat
Canada Lynx
Eurasian Lynx
Iberian Lynx
Ocelot
Margay
Kodkod
Oncilla
Southern tigrina
Because of your inability to respect those who don't agree with you... you are on ignore and I will not interact with you again. There are others here, in this thread, who don't agree with me... but who were at least nice. Anyway... you're wrong, here is just ONE example I could share.Not to mention, no one said all dinosaurs evolved into birds.
When God is not included in ANY possible outcome, on purpose... then science becomes a religion (anti) of it's own.
I am not anti-science... I am anti-anyone or anything who claims to have an open mind but who closes off possible answers that stand opposed to their paradigm. A family member who is working in Academia tells his son, "I want you to read anything you want." The son says, "Can I read the bible," and the dad of course says, "No, anything but that!" This is a typical mindset of an atheist scientist who is looking for answers but can't allow the supernatural to be weighed in as a possible influencing factor. To THAT person I would suggest he is being intellectually dishonest AND because of his bias... I don't need to read his conclusions because they are incomplete.You're talking about a philosophy of naturalism. That's a belief system. One could arguably call it a religion, but that's a pretty loose definition of religion. That isn't the same thing as science, which is a tool that can be used by anybody to find natural explanations for things.
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