Ask a physicist anything. (5)

[Wiccan_Child]

But on the contrary, the lack of knowledge clearly reveals a much Superior being with all knowledge, to have created such an ever distant and unreachable end to the universe and beyond, that it is futile to even attempt to identify not to mention how it was all created and why?

Not at all. A lack of knowledge reveals absolutely nothing - otherwise, it wouldn't be a lack of knowledge.

The fact that we don't know something hardly proves that there's deities were behind it; the whole point is we don't know.

If you want to base your belief in God on arbitrary gaps in knowledge, be my guest. But just know it's fallacious reasoning; you're doing little more than simply giving a name to a gap in knowledge that is rapidly closing.

Tell me: if a wholly natural explanation for the creation of the universe is found, will you become an atheist?

 

[SAMMISPARROW]

You are so predictable

How do you know that I am so predictable, when not even I know how predictable I am????

 

[mzungu]

How do you know that I am so predictable, when not even I know how predictable I am????

Because I foretold that you were leading up to this

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

You guys are funny. Sammie looks at the universe and is overwhelmed by it's majesty. It's not unreasonable for him to assume some authorship to this mighty prose. Mzungu looks at the universe and is overwhelmed by its complexity, and it's not unreasonable for him to assume it has no author. Neither is right and neither is wrong. God is an SOB!

 

[SAMMISPARROW]

Because I foretold that you were leading up to this

WOW!!! Are you a modern times Nostradamus???.........

 

[TheReasoner]

Anything? Okay:

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

 

[Wiccan_Child]

You guys are funny. Sammie looks at the universe and is overwhelmed by it's majesty. It's not unreasonable for him to assume some authorship to this mighty prose. Mzungu looks at the universe and is overwhelmed by its complexity, and it's not unreasonable for him to assume it has no author. Neither is right and neither is wrong. God is an SOB!

Well, to be fair, one is right. There's either authorship or there isn't, a designer or there isn't, a single creator deity or there isn't.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Anything? Okay:

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Four woods.

 

[TheReasoner]

Four woods.

Ah. Could you give that in SI units?

 

[mzungu]

WOW!!! Are you a modern times Nostradamus???.........

Nostradamus has been attributed the ability to see the future yet when I read his works I failed to find anything remotely resembling accurate prophecy.

Your questions led me to believe that eventually you were leading to your final conclusion that God created the universe.

Of course you are free to believe anything. What matters is not what one believes but how one conducts himself; And you have conducted yourself admirably so far. That we disagree means nothing more than a chance for a good debate.

After all is not disagreement the chance to exercise our right to enlighten our opponent(s) with sincere and sound arguments?

En guard mon ami!

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

Sure WC. It harms me not at at all to believe in a creator, and it pleases me to no end to believe in one. So I do. But I cannot say that I am absolutely sure. It's a matter of faith. Faith does not disclude doubt.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Ah. Could you give that in SI units?

It's a dimensionless quantity

 

[TheReasoner]

Sure WC. It harms me not at at all to believe in a creator, and it pleases me to no end to believe in one. So I do. But I cannot say that I am absolutely sure. It's a matter of faith. Faith does not disclude doubt.

Makes sense, but I wonder, is your belief in a creator similar to many of your countrymen? I refer to young-earth creationism.

I do believe in a creator myself, but I do not believe in one who fits the criteria set down by most (all?) creationists. Why? It doesn't fit our observations of reality. Do our observations exclude the possibility of a creator? I cannot see how they do. But I _DO_ think it excludes the possibility of this creator being as described by this group of believers.

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

All I can say is that the more I learn about the universe the more I am inclimed to believe that it is directed by some entity. I believe I know the identity of that entity because of personal experience, the divulgence of which does not belong in this forum.

 

[TheReasoner]

All I can say is that the more I learn about the universe the more I am inclimed to believe that it is directed by some entity. I believe I know the identity of that entity because of personal experience, the divulgence of which does not belong in this forum.

Well spoken. I could easily echo those words.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

All I can say is that the more I learn about the universe the more I am inclimed to believe that it is directed by some entity. I believe I know the identity of that entity because of personal experience, the divulgence of which does not belong in this forum.

Is there anything other than personal experience behind your belief in God? That would certainly make for an interesting discussion.

 

[SAMMISPARROW]

Anything? Okay:

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

About as much as a woodchuck could chuck I suppose

 

[SAMMISPARROW]

Not at all. A lack of knowledge reveals absolutely nothing - otherwise, it wouldn't be a lack of knowledge.

The fact that we don't know something hardly proves that there's deities were behind it; the whole point is we don't know.

If you want to base your belief in God on arbitrary gaps in knowledge, be my guest. But just know it's fallacious reasoning; you're doing little more than simply giving a name to a gap in knowledge that is rapidly closing.

Tell me: if a wholly natural explanation for the creation of the universe is found, will you become an atheist?

A lack of knowledge reveals.............. a lack of knowledge

Absolute knowledge reveals..............the creator.........Ha!!!!

 

[Deleteriousnonsense]

I can give you no advice , WC, because you are smarter than I am. You know the difference between truth and falsity. Judge for yourself.

 

[TheReasoner]

Anything? Okay:

How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?

Four woods.

About as much as a woodchuck could chuck I suppose

I like the following exchange from Monkey Island 2:
Guybrush: How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
Woodsmith: A woodchuck could chuck no amount of wood since a woodchuck couldn't chuck wood.
Guybrush: But if a woodchuck could chuck and would chuck some amount of wood, what amount of wood would a woodchuck chuck?
Woodsmith: Even if a woodchuck could chuck wood, and even if a woodchuck would chuck wood, should a woodchuck chuck wood?
Guybrush: A woodchuck should chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood, as long as a woodchuck would chuck wood.
Woodsmith: Oh, shut up!