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zippy2006

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And in those cases, what's the best way to determine reality?

Reasoning and perception, the same as ever.

It's not an alternative "way to determine reality." Falsifiability is not a method. It's just an aspect of certain methods that provides a way to error-check. It is quite possible to get a question right without going back and checking for errors. Indeed science itself would be undone without this possibility, which is grounded in a fundamental probability. If the basic methods didn't have an intrinsic relation to truth, falsifiability would be of no help.
 
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Reasoning and perception, the same as ever.

It's not an alternative "way to determine reality." Falsifiability is not a method. It's just an aspect of certain methods that provides a way to error-check. It is quite possible to get a question right without going back and checking for errors. Indeed science itself would be undone without this possibility, which is grounded in a fundamental probability. If the basic methods didn't have an intrinsic relation to truth, falsifiability would be of no help.
Here's some context for you: In my opinion, we all make three fundamental assumptions.

Reality exists.
We can know some things about reality.
Falsifiable models with predictive capabilities work better than those that don't.
 
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zippy2006

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Here's some context for you: In my opinion, we all make three fundamental assumptions.

Reality exists.
We can know some things about reality.
Falsifiable models with predictive capabilities work better than those that don't.

Yes, I saw that. I don't find any of them to be assumptions, least of all the last two.

But what is your point in presenting them?
 
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zippy2006

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Another poster had questions.

Fair enough.

It is perhaps worthwhile to note that you yourself bear witness that the third candidate is not an assumption, for you provided reasons/arguments for its truth.
 
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Fair enough.

It is perhaps worthwhile to note that you yourself bear witness that the third candidate is not an assumption, for you provided reasons/arguments for its truth.
Of course it's an assumption. There's no way I can demonstrate it to be true every time, only that it's always worked best in the past.
 
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Of course it's an assumption. There's no way I can demonstrate it to be true every time, only that it's always worked best in the past.

Falsifiable models work better because falsifiablility provides clear criteria for the success or failure of a particular hypothesis. That is always true with falsifiable methods, and does not require assumptions.
 
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Falsifiable models work better because falsifiablility provides clear criteria for the success or failure of a particular hypothesis. That is always true with falsifiable methods, and does not require assumptions.
Sounds good.
 
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I expect the claims to be evidenced in some way. That is the burden I think they bear.
Such as producing anonymous stories of nameless witness accounts? How hard can that be?
For a definition of supernatural, just reference a dictionary or encyclopedia.
A working definition? Something testable, falsifiable? You couldn't find one either?
 
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I have attempted to. And I am not trying to be evasive. I can provide you a link to some free online references if you would like.
You began this thread ostensibly for the purpose of answering questions posed to you. However, your responses to certain questions have been nothing but vague, and other questions have gone completely unanswered. First, I asked you about the importance of intellectual honesty in the pursuit of truth (1), and received no answer. Then I asked you whether you were open to be convinced on the question of Jesus' historicity (2). Again, I received no answer.

Shortly thereafter, you claimed to have examined diverse religious claims with the "desire to be objective, honest, and open" (3). Curious about this, I inquired whether this meant you were open to questioning the authorship of scripture and the claims contained therein (4). To my surprise, you reported that you were (5). Moreover, you acknowledged fallibilism in relation to your religious beliefs (6, 7), in contrast to what you had earlier claimed (8).

As I harboured severe doubts about your intellectual honesty in this discourse (9), I took this as a positive sign that you had reflected on and modified your philosophical praxis. However, the evasiveness of your most recent responses to my question about appeals to personal religious experience, which tend to reflect a disposition you putatively no longer hold (10), suggests that some kernel of your old habit of thought remains intact. This would imply that, contrary to your earlier claims, you are not open to reconsidering or revising your theological commitments. This in turn raises the same question I posed earlier: in what way is your approach to these matters "objective, honest, and open"? How can one approach such questions honestly if one is not willing to accept the possibility of error or the need for conceptual revision?
 
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I respect that this is your view I just don't agree with it and I gave you one reason why I don't. If I were to adopt your view, I would of necessity, have to dismiss as unreliable any account which contained eyewitness testimony that was not corroborated by physical evidence or inaccessible to personal questioning. Since this methodology with this criteria is so restrictive as to eliminate much of what I have in the way of historical accounts, I choose not to adhere to it in favor of something less restrictive.

The misgivings you have recently expressed are not sufficient for me to abandon my less restrictive methodology for assessing the veracity and reliability of historical accounts in favor of yours that would require me to be a historical skeptic when it comes to much of what is considered historical by historiographers.

Sure, you set your own standard. I was discussing what is generally acceptable in practices where discovering truth is a priority.
 
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I really don't mind you stating your views, but you also do not answer my questions. That's really rude, fellow.

You know, I seem to have a hard time communicating with you, as I have mentioned before in our previous discussions.

I have answered your questions, more than once.

The fact that you can't accept them, is rude.
 
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.. and besides, did you even read those quotes from the bible? They don't need to be verified, as they are philosophical statements. It doesn't matter who said them, for the purposes that I used them.

I'd quite like to know the answer to my question, because I reckon it is truly a "yes" - I reckon you are one who will reject statements that are in the bible simply because they are in the bible.

See my previous post.
 
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bhsmte was making fun of chrilliman, and you have encouraged that. I want to know why. I had placed you as one who was interested in promoting personal growth, rather than bullying. I can't see those two things as not being necessarily opposed.

Where was I making fun of Chrilliman, please show me the post?
 
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