I don't understand why you would question his motives. I too would like to see some primary evidence if only to quash the pagan origin claims once and for all. I don't expect it would be readily available so I'm not holding my breath, nor does it worry me since a strong defence is not really required in the face of simonthezealot's claims so far. He hasn't bothered to provide any primary evidence so I don't see why we should make any more effort than he has.Primary source?
You want me to pull up an online copy of a 7th Century sacramentary? Do you read Latin?
I do not find your request to be very sincere. Why not just make your point?
I don't understand why you would question his motives. I too would like to see some primary evidence if only to quash the pagan origin claims once and for all. I don't expect it would be readily available so I'm not holding my breath, nor does it worry me since a strong defence is not really required in the face of simonthezealot's claims so far. He hasn't bothered to provide any primary evidence so I don't see why we should make any more effort than he has.
I don't understand why you would question his motives. I too would like to see some primary evidence if only to quash the pagan origin claims once and for all. I don't expect it would be readily available so I'm not holding my breath, nor does it worry me since a strong defence is not really required in the face of simonthezealot's claims so far. He hasn't bothered to provide any primary evidence so I don't see why we should make any more effort than he has.
I already pointed out Ash Wednesday came about in 601 when Pope Gregory declared Sundays to be feasts, thus putting them outside of Lent (not counted as one of the 40 days) and changing the beginning to Wednesday.
I think for EO, Sundays are included in the Lent observation. The count of 40+6 Sundays are required to bring it to a Wednesday.So, from looking into the Ash Wednesday issue, it seems that EO practice Lent, but not Ash Wednesday. Why not?
Athanasius c350ad was shown to originate (first mention) the Wednesday start of a 40 day period sans Sabbaths to easter sunday. Gregory may have wanted Rome to line up with that.
Still, however, there is no reference to an ASH Wednesday.
Athanasius c350ad was shown to originate (first mention) the Wednesday start of a 40 day period sans Sabbaths to easter sunday. Gregory may have wanted Rome to line up with that.
Still, however, there is no reference to an ASH Wednesday.
I think for EO, Sundays are included in the Lent observation. The count of 40+6 Sundays are required to bring it to a Wednesday.
The East originally excluded Saturdays and Sundays.
I'm assuming there is a Latin equivalent to the Thesaurus Lingua Graeca. Maybe the Perseus Project has them available? I'll have a look when I get home. I'm also happy to accept reputable translations as a 'primary' source. I'm an armchair researcher after all, so my requirements are not so strictA primary source would mean the 7th Century Roman sacramentary available online in Latin. If you or he read Latin, then I'll bother to try and find it, otherwise I will question why he is asking for it.
Primary source?
You want me to pull up an online copy of a 7th Century sacramentary? Do you read Latin?
I do not find your request to be very sincere. Why not just make your point?
A primary source would mean the 7th Century Roman sacramentary available online in Latin. If you or he read Latin, then I'll bother to try and find it, otherwise I will question why he is asking for it.
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