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Sorry to butt in, but most Wiccans don't have Wiccan parents.
Interesting. Most of the Wiccans that I know converted away from a Christian background, thou I do know several who were raised Jewish.

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Interesting. Most of the Wiccans that I know converted away from a Christian background, thou I do know several who were raised Jewish.

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That's my experience as well. Of course, in Britian the default setting religion wise tends to be Christianity, so even if they were never exactly practicing Christians most people tend to have a Christian background of some description.
Although how paganism as a whole manifests seems to depend on what sort of Christianity they left...
 
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Just a quick question GreyCat,
do you think you would have been a 'Wiccan' if your parents had not been 'Wiccan'?
Few people are Wiccan because their parents were Wiccan when they were born. We're mostly converts. That most of us converted from Judaeo-Christianity is unsurprising: Wicca is very much a Western religion, and the vast majority of people in the West are Christian to start off with.
 
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Like Original Sin, the Protevangelium, the Flood, Noah's prophecies (extremely important in world history), Pangaea, and the Tower of Babel?

Remove the first 11 chapters of Genesis, and the rest of the Bible makes no sense.

So you've said before, yet you've never actually provided any proof to support this assertion.
 
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So,ok.
why are you still here trying?
If you are referring to TheManeki, I assume it is because fallacious claims should not go unchallenged. I think we all agree that the truth, whatever it may be, is paramount.
 
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My parents aren't Wiccan. One is agnostic, the other is an atheist.

I'm curious how my post led you to your post about my parents' religions?

I only asked because I did not know what a Wiccan was, and I wondered if you did.

For those who do not know what a Wiccan is I took this from a Wiccan site.

Depending upon how you look at Wicca, it is either one of the newest or one of the oldest religions in the world: Wicca is a recently created, Neopagan religion. The various branches of Wicca can be traced back to Gardnerian Witchcraft which was founded in the UK during the late 1940s. Wicca is based on the symbols, seasonal days of celebration, beliefs and deities of ancient Celtic society. Added to this material were Masonic and ceremonial magickal components from recent centuries. In this respect, it is a religion whose roots go back almost three millennia to the formation of Celtic society circa 800 BCE.

A follower of Wicca is called a Wiccan. Wicca and other Neopagan religions are currently experiencing a rapid growth in the U.S., Canada, and Europe. This is seen particularly among some teenagers, who are rejecting what they feel is the autocracy, paternalism, sexism, homophobia, and insensitivity to the environment that forms part of some more traditional religions. Many North Americans of European descent, who are keen to discover their ancestral heritage, are also attracted to this religion.

At least it doesn't include a God..
 
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If you are referring to TheManeki, I assume it is because fallacious claims should not go unchallenged. I think we all agree that the truth, whatever it may be, is paramount.

i respect your religous fervor, the fundamentalist zeal of your believed truth, but you're wasting your time. :)
 
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Actually Consol, most branches of Wicca (with the exception of Dianic and other feminist paths) do include a male deity/s in addition to female ones.

It depends on What pantheon you follow, who the gods are that you recognize. Generally the God in all his aspects (which can be represented by multiple singular gods) symbolizes the cycle of Life, Death, and Rebirth. Based on the Sun's cycle. The seasonal days of celebration that your excerpt from another site mentioned are based on the Solar cycle. in a lot of views, the Goddess is seen as the one who turns the Wheel of the seasons and of life, and the God either as the Wheel itself, or as the one who experiences it, or both.
 
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Vainglorious, I don't know how well you know me, but I can say, speaking from 19 months of experience here, and in my humble opinion, not one atheist or agnostic here is qualified to critique creationism. All you guys do is ask the same questions over and over;
thats because your answers are half the time wrong, per the bible, or never really answer the questions being asked


and despite numerous explanations and threads from me, you guys still don't have a clue as to where I'm coming from in explaining how God created this universe.
then its your own fault, not ours, if you could answer the question honestly and not confuse people then maybe we wouldn't keep asking the same questions
I have never - (and I mean never) - in 19 months of solidly explaining myself over and over again - seen one person acknowledge what I'm talking about.
i'm starting to think you don't even know what you are talking about

Two of you have come close, but in just a short time, have reverted back to making subtle mistakes in trying to explain Genesis 1
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well when creationism has a million different explanations, some that believe that gen 2 is parallel to gen 1, instead of two different stories its hard to keep up
Believe me --- it takes the Holy Spirit to hammer the understanding home --- and some people are living proof of that.

nice excuse, or it could be that your answers lack logic or meaning, or they lack any relation to reality
 
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An understanding of what really happened. Like how ex nihilo creation works, for starters.
ok please show any evidence that the bible is even talking about ex nihilo creation in the first place.
if you knew anything about AME religion at all, you would know that genesis 1 is not talking about creation out of nothing.
the writers believed god was creating order out of chaos, not out of nothing.
he was not poofing stuff into existence out of nothing
 
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I only asked because I did not know what a Wiccan was, and I wondered if you did.

For those who do not know what a Wiccan is I took this from a Wiccan site.

Depending upon how you look at Wicca, it is either one of the newest or one of the oldest religions in the world: Wicca is a recently created, Neopagan religion. The various branches of Wicca can be traced back to Gardnerian Witchcraft which was founded in the UK during the late 1940s. Wicca is based on the symbols, seasonal days of celebration, beliefs and deities of ancient Celtic society. Added to this material were Masonic and ceremonial magickal components from recent centuries. In this respect, it is a religion whose roots go back almost three millennia to the formation of Celtic society circa 800 BCE.

A follower of Wicca is called a Wiccan. Wicca and other Neopagan religions are currently experiencing a rapid growth in the U.S., Canada, and Europe. This is seen particularly among some teenagers, who are rejecting what they feel is the autocracy, paternalism, sexism, homophobia, and insensitivity to the environment that forms part of some more traditional religions. Many North Americans of European descent, who are keen to discover their ancestral heritage, are also attracted to this religion.

At least it doesn't include a God..

Mmm, ehhh.... not quite.
Modern Druidry relates more to Celtic practices but was originally based on Victorian ideas of the Celts, which were very romanticised.
Wicca does indeed have Masonic and ceremonial magic influences but a large part of it came from Gerald Gardner's experiences when he was a civil servant in Malaysia. Some aspects of it are quite shamanic.
And sorry, it does have a god. Two, to be precise; the Goddess and the God, which are often represented as deities from various world pantheons.
Not the same concept of 'God' as the Abrahamic religions, though.
In it's early years it was claimed to be a survival of European Neolithic religious practices, but this isn't the case (read Professor Ronald Hutton's 'The Triumph of the Moon' for more details if you're interested).
 
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Hey I have an idea.

What if, in Genesis in the Bible, the Christian God actually is the concept of "Nothing"?

What if, since there was nothing until God, then God represents nothing? And then since "nothing" is a diety, it can create everything as Genesis goes onto explain.

I mean i don't think Genesis ever says that God is "something". It never really says where God came from so it is open for interpretation.
 
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Hey I have an idea.

What if, in Genesis in the Bible, the Christian God actually is the concept of "Nothing"?

What if, since there was nothing until God, then God represents nothing? And then since "nothing" is a diety, it can create everything as Genesis goes onto explain.

I mean i don't think Genesis ever says that God is "something". It never really says where God came from so it is open for interpretation.

It's a thought, certainly....
Have you read up much on the Qabala? It sounds similar the the three plains of negative existance coalescing into Kether and the rest of Creation developing from there.
 
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thats because your answers are half the time wrong, per the bible, or never really answer the questions being asked

How would the questioner know that? If they "know" it's wrong, then let them answer it. It's a shame when you tell someone that God created the world ex nihilo, and they deny that at the same time they're asking what ex nihilo means.

then its your own fault, not ours, if you could answer the question honestly and not confuse people then maybe we wouldn't keep asking the same questions

Interesting choice of words --- and quite an accusation.

i'm starting to think you don't even know what you are talking about

Right --- 50,000+ posts and you've read them all? I would think it funny if for just one month (yea, one week) the Christians on here would just answer your questions from the Word of God and not use terms like ex nihilo and embedded age, and let you guys figure out what we're talking about. Creation [and the Flood] is my forte, and I'm more than capable of explaining it.

well when creationism has a million different explanations, some that believe that gen 2 is parallel to gen 1, instead of two different stories its hard to keep up

Which goes right along with what I always say: if you can't get past Genesis 1, you're in for a doosey of a ride, as it only gets harder from there. You guys are living proof.

nice excuse, or it could be that your answers lack logic or meaning, or they lack any relation to reality

I have dumbed my answers and examples down to the point where even my cats understand them, and you guys spend way too much time laughing and cutting up. Later, I get this from you guys, and even then I feel sorry for you.
 
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I only asked because I did not know what a Wiccan was, and I wondered if you did.

For those who do not know what a Wiccan is I took this from a Wiccan site.

Depending upon how you look at Wicca, it is either one of the newest or one of the oldest religions in the world: Wicca is a recently created, Neopagan religion. The various branches of Wicca can be traced back to Gardnerian Witchcraft which was founded in the UK during the late 1940s. Wicca is based on the symbols, seasonal days of celebration, beliefs and deities of ancient Celtic society. Added to this material were Masonic and ceremonial magickal components from recent centuries. In this respect, it is a religion whose roots go back almost three millennia to the formation of Celtic society circa 800 BCE.

A follower of Wicca is called a Wiccan. Wicca and other Neopagan religions are currently experiencing a rapid growth in the U.S., Canada, and Europe. This is seen particularly among some teenagers, who are rejecting what they feel is the autocracy, paternalism, sexism, homophobia, and insensitivity to the environment that forms part of some more traditional religions. Many North Americans of European descent, who are keen to discover their ancestral heritage, are also attracted to this religion.

At least it doesn't include a God..
Actually, I'm unaware of any Wiccan denomination that does not acknowledge the existance of one deity or other. Most that I've researched hold the Mother Goddess as the primary deity (usually along with the Horned God), whilst acknowledging (though not necessarily worshipping) deities from other pantheons (the Graceo-Roman pantheon, the Judaeo-Christo-Islamic pantheon, the Hindu pantheon, etc).

Personally, I am a theist when it comes to the God and Goddess, but I am a weak atheist when it comes to other pantheons.
 
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