As a Christian, how many of you believe in evolution?

[Subduction Zone]

becbause even according to evolution we cant get an eye in real time. its too complex to evolve in a real time.

Ummm no:

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

That is rather meaningless and does not give us a limit. We don't see such a limit in nature. Extinctiion occurs when changes in the environment are too rapid for a population to evolve to adapt, not when too many changes build up.

I see, so you deny the relevance of diseases to adaptation to limitations of adaptation. I deny the function of and formation of partially developed hearts, lungs, and brains into fully developed and functioning hearts, lungs, and brains. According to macro evolution, these evolved gradually and slowly for eons, and yet there is no evidence human life can naturally without medical assistance be sustained without proper and full function of the heart and lungs. At what point in the development of the brain is consciousness or does self-awareness occur to send signals for the purpose of bodily functions?

 

[Shemjaza]

In the extent to which adaptation occurs, the proof would be species in danger of extinction, and species which have ceased to exist. This points to failures of "natural selection". Death and decay, point to devolution.

That doesn't explain the actual evidence.

Over the course of history we see multiple new species develop from older ones then some of them going extinct. This is exactly what you would predict with natural selection acting on new variations.

Of devolution and degeneration were the pattern there would be the most diversity in the most ancient of strata.

 

[Shemjaza]

I see, so you deny the relevance of diseases to adaptation to limitations of adaptation. I deny the function of and formation of partially developed hearts, lungs, and brains into fully developed and functioning hearts, lungs, and brains. According to macro evolution, these evolved gradually and slowly for eons, and yet there is no evidence human life can naturally without medical assistance be sustained without proper and full function of the heart and lungs. At what point in the development of the brain is consciousness or does self-awareness occur to send signals for the purpose of bodily functions?

Mammal hearts and lungs developed eons before humans.

Also, simpler heart and lung structures can be found in the animal kingdom to demonstrate how they can develop from a valve structure in ancient pre-fish intro more sophisticated ones with now components for more specialised environments and niches.

I don't understand what you are referring to with diseases. Can you explain?

 

[xianghua]

Ummm no:

are you saying that according to evolution we can see in real time an eye evolving from non eye?

 

[xianghua]

Mammal hearts and lungs developed eons before humans.

so what was the function of a blood vessel without a liquid or vice versa?

 

[xianghua]

The theory of evolution says that? Where?

i think in almost any book about evolution.

 

[sfs]

In the extent to which adaptation occurs, the proof would be species in danger of extinction, and species which have ceased to exist. This points to failures of "natural selection".

Sorry, but how is that an argument against macroevolution? Some species go extinct and some flourish and give birth to new species.

 

[Speedwell]

so what was the function of a blood vessel without a liquid or vice versa?

At what point did such a condition exist?

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Sorry, but how is that an argument against macroevolution? Some species go extinct and some flourish and give birth to new species.

For one much is assumed about the earliest stages in macroevolution, as in what would prevent the most ancient species from going extinct? Apparently Dinosaurs, massive, powerful reptilian like creatures, are all extinct, where does life continue on from the ice age theory?

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

I don't understand what you are referring to with diseases. Can you explain?

Sure, diseases can contribute to the extinction of a species, agree?

 

[Speedwell]

For one much is assumed about the earliest stages in macroevolution, as in what would prevent the most ancient species from going extinct? Apparently Dinosaurs, massive, powerful reptilian like creatures, are all extinct, where does life continue on from the ice age theory?

Many reptilian species from the "dinosaur age" became extinct. Many others survived, adapted to new conditions and evolved into species that exist today.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

Many reptilian species from the "dinosaur age" became extinct. Many others survived, adapted to new conditions and evolved into species that exist today.

Such as, for example?

 

[Speedwell]

Such as, for example?

Chickens.

 

[Shemjaza]

Sure, diseases can contribute to the extinction of a species, agree?

Sure, why not? Though I think a species has got to be on a pretty dire situation for a single plague to wipe it out.

I'm not seeing any problem for evolution. Resistance or vulnerability to disease are well known traits that can be a strong selection criteria for a species.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I see, so you deny the relevance of diseases to adaptation to limitations of adaptation. I deny the function of and formation of partially developed hearts, lungs, and brains into fully developed and functioning hearts, lungs, and brains. According to macro evolution, these evolved gradually and slowly for eons, and yet there is no evidence human life can naturally without medical assistance be sustained without proper and full function of the heart and lungs. At what point in the development of the brain is consciousness or does self-awareness occur to send signals for the purpose of bodily functions?

What? You really should not start a post with nonsense.

And since you do not know how evolution works how can you think that you can possibly refute it? All you have are bad arguments against the science.

Try to ask one question a post if you want answers. Through a bunch of garbage at a wall and seeing what sticks is not a proper way to debate or have a discussion.

 

[Subduction Zone]

are you saying that according to evolution we can see in real time an eye evolving from non eye?

In "real time"? That is a meaningless phrase. And why would we need to observe an eye evolving? That is a very ignorant stance to take.

 

[Apologetic_Warrior]

What? You really should not start a post with nonsense.

And since you do not know how evolution works how can you think that you can possibly refute it? All you have are bad arguments against the science.

Try to ask one question a post if you want answers. Through a bunch of garbage at a wall and seeing what sticks is not a proper way to debate or have a discussion.

I really should and would report your post above if I thought it would avail. As far as I am concerned, there is literally nothing left to discuss, you have unwittingly cut this brief conversation short by resorting to ad hominem fallacies. Bye.

 

[ralfyman]

can you be more specific? do you have a specific case that prove evolution? also what do you think about my argument here?: the self replicating watch argument

I shared with you a link to a whole book on the matter, published by no less than the National Academies of Sciences. I think that goes beyond your request, and by no less than the top science organization of the U.S.

 

[Astrophile]

Apparently Dinosaurs, massive, powerful reptilian like creatures, are all extinct, where does life continue on from the ice age theory?

Not all species of dinosaurs are extinct; I can hear some of them chirping in the trees outside my house as I write this. Not all dinosaurs were massive, powerful, reptile-like creatures; some of them, as Speedwell has pointed out, were no larger than chickens. Also, many species of dinosaurs had feathers, but I have never seen a reptile with feathers.