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If you are a Christian, (this is a question for Christians only), do you think evolution occurs?

  • Yes, evolution occurs.

  • No, evolution does not occur.

  • I'm not sure.


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You disagreed with my explanation of what I meant in my argument. Unless you are able to read minds, seems like a pretty silly position to take.

Furthermore, if you can't even accept what my personal intent of my arguments is, what is the point of discussing anything at all with you?
 
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its also true for any creature. we have no evidence that one kind of creature can evolve into something different. we only see variations of the same creature.

You don't understand how lots of little changes can add up to a big change?
 
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How can a process be non random?

Because it is subject to certain external (blind) forces.
Like when 2 H atoms and an O atom come together to form a water molecule.

Filtering what?

Traits.

So why would you use a machine designed by human hand - created and designed to perform a task - as your example?

The machine itself is irrelevant. It's the process that matters in the analogy.
Kind of like a freezer. Inside, the process of "freezing" takes place. Just because the freezer is man made, doesn't mean that "freezing" is man made.


Its an example to show non-random behaviour using a machine that was designed and created.

No. It's just an example of non-random output in a process that uses random input, without any need for manual intervention.

Can you show me using an example of something which is non-random and not a created thing?

Any natural occuring chemical compound.
Like the formation of water molecules.

Or the direction of falling. It's not random that things fall down and not up.
Or the process of freezing - regardless of it taking place at the north pole or inside a man made freezer.


Your analogy so far cannot escape design


Again, learn how analogies work.

ie a coin machine created by human hand and designed to perform a process

The analogy is in the process.
Also, it's not a machine. It's just a bar with holes in it.

This is supposed to show a non random process by comparing it to a designed process?

No. It shows how you can get non-random output from random input, without any manual intervention.

Well show me then? What have you got to prove your case?

The process of evolution.
Genetic algoritms do exactly this.

Here's an example for you to handwave away: BoxCar2D

I was never taught evolution at school.

Shocking!

Who is correct you or the authority on the subject which contradicts what you say? - remember that link you sent me?

That homosexuality is common in the animal kingdom, is an observable fact, no matter your denial.


Point remains. Homosexuality clearly isn't a human only thing.
You can keep sticking your head in the sand if you want though.

Why did you send me that link if it contradicts what you are saying?

It doesn't.


I refer you to the previous quotes from your page - you supplied me

Read the rest of the article.
 
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Just so you know: I'm really not going to dig into 5 more of your ginormous posts full of nonsense.
 
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You disagreed with my explanation of what I meant in my argument. Unless you are able to read minds, seems like a pretty silly position to take.

Hey hey my dear I disagree with your explanation of events and i disagree with your position. I am still waiting for you to do, what you said you can do.

You cannot defend your position when challenged to it, your 'posit' is futile. I cannot read minds but i can read what you write and I record it for future discussion.

Furthermore, if you can't even accept what my personal intent of my arguments is, what is the point of discussing anything at all with you?

I have only disagreed with a leprechaun who can blind creationists to evolution. I disagree that you can posit this creature and that there is the same amount of evidence for God and creature you just invented.

Why do you not do what you said you can do? Why have you no motivation to defend your statement?

Cheers my atheist friend
 
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self-organization mechanism. Biology does - it's called evolution.

Hey hey kylie my best atheist friend

Would you like to join a discussion @Speedwell @sfs @Subduction Zone - he is a bit loose but will be back on track soon - @In situ are in?

Would you like a reset or is there something in our past discussions you would like to focus on?

Ill be honest im over long replies right now!
 
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Yes, I studied the theory from secondary school to university, and from what I gather there is sufficient evidence to show that it took place.
Why isn't the pattern of genetic evidence of living creatures and the corresponding fossils of ancient transitionals evidence?
Microevolution occurs. Macroevolution does not.
Often Creationists use different definitions to scientists, so to clarify, can you give an example of macro evolution that you think science proposes and you think is impossible?
 
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Yes, I can.
 
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@ralfyman said that there is sufficient evidence that evolution took place.
 
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Hey hey kylie

Wow you surprise me hahaha.

I thought we should have a break. Round 6. Where should we start?

Well, you kept promising me that you had this incredible response that you were working on.

How about you post that?

Or were you telling porky pies all those times you told me that you were preparing something wonderful for me?
 
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Yes, I would like to focus on our past discussion.

You can start by posting that amazing post your claimed you were preparing for me.
 
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Microevolution occurs. Macroevolution does not.

What mechanism exists to prevent Macroevolution yet allows microevolution?

Please define the difference between the two.
 
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