Article: It's Time to Embrace Feminism's Anger

[Endeavourer]

The word "feminism" has been hijacked by so many groups to such an extent that now I think it means whatever each person thinks it means/wants it to mean.

On the one farther hand, it means demands for some type of feminine reparations at the expense of other people, often in a loud and crass way.

On the other farther hand, it simply means that a woman or girl's value (and vote) is equal to that of a man or boy, and all bear the 'expenses' of life evenly without lording one over the other.

I identify with the latter. I think your life's experiences determine where on the scale you fall. Some have been emotionally injured to the extent they need to climb higher than I did on that scale.

Others go so far that they are, to my opinion, irrational (spreading menstrual blood on your face for demonstration, for example, or demanding that the survival of live born babies are still subject to someone's choice).

I've suffered theological injuries which demanded I join that scale somewhere in order to assert that I have as much value as a man does, both in our general day-to-day as well as in our participation as members of Christ's body. Many hours of studying as I was recovering from my experiences gradually led to an "aha!" realization of how the concept of equal value falls together in the precious Word of God.

Being able to confidently know that I KNOW!! my Lord values the females in his church as much as anyone else was a burden lifted from my worldview and has resulted in such a joyful and peaceful phase of my journey. The relief and realization is hard to adequately describe.

 

[Dave-W]

On the other farther hand, it simply means that a woman or girl's value (and vote) is equal to that of a man or boy, and all bear the 'expenses' of life evenly without lording one over the other.

I know many that use that kind of a definition. That is what I call egalitarian.

To me, "feminism" is the women who want to rid the world of men altogether.

 

[MariaJLM]

Anger can be a useful tool for having our voices heard, if it's rightfully directed. I feel that a lot of the time said anger is wrongly directed, which makes feminists as a whole just look bad. Otherwise it's justified. I mean, I get angry at classism and ableism since those directly affect me.

 

[bekkilyn]

I know many that use that kind of a definition. That is what I call egalitarian.

To me, "feminism" is the women who want to rid the world of men altogether.

We *definitely* have a different definition of feminism then. To me, feminism is, and has always been, about women and men being equal.

So why not just call it egalitarianism instead of feminism then? I've been super sick with fever the past couple of days, but for whatever reason in my demented state, this question kept coming to mind and I am thinking it may have to do with that if you take "female" out of the description, it just goes back to the male default, kind of like taking "black" out of Black Lives Matter.

 

[mkgal1]

To me, "feminism" is the women who want to rid the world of men altogether.

I keep hearing this - but I've yet to run into someone that identifies as a feminist that truly wishes that men would just disappear (you know that feminism includes men as well.....right?).

I honestly think that's just a statement designed to discredit the voices of those that are speaking out against inequality.

We *definitely* have a different definition of feminism then. To me, feminism is, and has always been, about women and men being equal.

So why not just call it egalitarianism instead of feminism then? I've been super sick with fever the past couple of days, but for whatever reason in my demented state, this question kept coming to mind and I am thinking it may have to do with that if you take "female" out of the description, it just goes back to the male default, kind of like taking "black" out of Black Lives Matter.

I agree - that's a great point (and I hope you feel better soon).

 

[mkgal1]

I just saw this quote this morning (shared by a dear FB friend):

“Feminism has fought no wars. It has killed no opponents. It has set up no concentration camps, starved no enemies, practiced no cruelties. Its battles have been for education, for the vote, for better working conditions…for safety on the streets…for child care, for social welfare…for rape crisis centers, women’s refuges, reforms in the law. If someone says, 'Oh, I’m not a feminist,' I ask, 'Why, what’s your problem?'” - Dale Spender​

 

[Dave-W]

FBI investigating Washington state rep. for manifesto urging ‘all males' will be killed

SCUM Manifesto - Wikipedia


Campaign to remove Clementine Ford as the speaker of a Lifeline event for tweeting 'Kill all men' | Daily Mail Online

 

[mkgal1]

FBI investigating Washington state rep. for manifesto urging ‘all males' will be killed

This seems to be this idealogy of the MAN in the first article (it's not feminism - but religious extremism). There are all sorts of extremism - but I don't believe that it's appropriate to define a movement based on its extremes.

From the article:

"....the death of all non-Christian males in the U.S. if religious law is not upheld."​

 

[Paidiske]

And the Scum manifesto is satire; and Clementine's tweet is generally understood to have been satirical also. (Given that she receives actual death and rape threats on a constant basis, I can understand her doing so, even though I might not have myself).

Really, Dave, we keep telling you, that kind of position has nothing to do with mainstream feminism. It's like judging Christianity by the Jonestown cult, or something.

 

[mkgal1]

Here's another example of what mainstream feminists are asking for: