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[RaymondG]

Also to ask yourself if you would have liked to pose in the nude if Jesus was there before you? I wouldn't have liked that! If one wouldn't have liked doing certain things when Jesus is right there beside you then you better not do it at all!

Werent we walking nude with Jesus in the Garden of Eden? I long to get back to those times. Dont you?

 

[Martyr's Crown]

Werent we walking nude with Jesus in the Garden of Eden? I long to get get to those times. Dont you?

Now all the talk is about how it is in the world today. And in this world then the view is very different from the Godly view.

Besides; I wasn't born during the time of Eden so I don't remember walking around nude with Jesus, I prefer not picturing this either, I like seeing myself wearing a robe or something like this.

 

[RaymondG]

Now all the talk is about how it is in the world today. And in this world then the view is very different from the Godly view.

Besides; I wasn't born during the time of Eden so I don't remember walking around nude with Jesus, I prefer not picturing this either, I like seeing myself wearing a robe or something like this.

Yes, we are talking about the world today....But I think we can make it like it was back then. Our views are the world views.. If we stop seeing Bad, the bad will disappear...eventually.

And I believe we were both born during the time of Eden. We listened to some people telling us everything was bad....and believed them....then our own nakedness became wrong to us just because someone told us it was and we believed. Then we fell from grace. Now we just have to reverse our steps to get back.

For those who still like the taste of the fruit....Me and this young lady were on opposite sides of the garden.....Im not saying we saw each other naked...put down that fruit!

 

[JacksBratt]

I am actually quite surprised by the answer's here.
Is it just the numbing of our morals to that of the world? Is it the callousness of our conscience? Or is it just the slow and steady degradation of our respect for ourselves?

I would have thought that this would have been a no brainer of a question. However, the answer's here are all over the map. One was even "how do you "feel" about it.

I find anytime we go with how we "feel" about something, we are using the wrong device to guide us.

For me, as a Christian, there are so many reasons that "no" would be the obvious answer. First, we are to be modest. Second we are to view ourselves through non-christian eyes. Third, would Jesus do it? Would you let your daughter or son do it?

I also believe that there is a fine line between real art, "art" and pornography...

Another question is , if not for medical reasons, or anatomy studies, does the entire human body ever need to be displayed at all. What could be the possible reason?

I'm sorry if I come across as prudish. Maybe I'm old fashioned. However, it would not be a good representation of a Christian, a married one at that.

I would say, with out question, it is a no.

 

[RaymondG]

I am actually quite surprised by the answer's here.
Is it just the numbing of our morals to that of the world? Is it the callousness of our conscience? Or is it just the slow and steady degradation of our respect for ourselves?

I would have thought that this would have been a no brainer of a question. However, the answer's here are all over the map. One was even "how do you "feel" about it.

I find anytime we go with how we "feel" about something, we are using the wrong device to guide us.

For me, as a Christian, there are so many reasons that "no" would be the obvious answer. First, we are to be modest. Second we are to view ourselves through non-christian eyes. Third, would Jesus do it? Would you let your daughter or son do it?

I also believe that there is a fine line between real art, "art" and pornography...

Another question is , if not for medical reasons, or anatomy studies, does the entire human body ever need to be displayed at all. What could be the possible reason?

I'm sorry if I come across as prudish. Maybe I'm old fashioned. However, it would not be a good representation of a Christian, a married one at that.

I would say, with out question, it is a no.

You have a very good argument. And they are very true. I respect your beliefs on the situation just as much as I respect the views and beliefs of everyone else who posted.

Never would I raise myself or my values and views above those who opinions are different from mine....I would not be a good christian if I did.

God lives inside us all.....I would think that our feelings and intuition about things is the greatest tool that we can use.

It seems clear to me that the OP has doubts and therefore has his own answer.....His Feelings gave him is own answer.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Nothing wrong with going back to being naked and not ashamed.......but you insist of pushing that fruit down our throats.. So ok.....I'll take another break.... Yes nudity is bad....very bad. I'll ask God for a fig leaf now and continue on my way. thanks

There is no reason to mock or insult me. That is not nice and nor does it help to prove your case that you are right in any way. The best position to take on anything in this life is to do what Jesus would do. Also, nowhere in the New Testament do we find that it was acceptable to be around others in the nude. If a person stumbles into looking at the person in the nude, they will be held accountable for enticing the other person with their nude body. A person's body is supposed to be for a spouse within marriage. How would you like it if your spouse posed nude and men talked about your wife and said they fantasized about her? It sure wouldn't be a good thing now would it?

Side Note:

Oh, and to say that this cannot happen for a man poses nude is not true. While the percentage is low that a woman is attracted visually by looking at nude men, there is still a small percentage of women that do so.

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[Roseonathorn]

Instinctively I feel it is not a good idea, and such things should be kept in the family. It easily stirs up quarrel. You will get an oldfashioned answer from a creative mind here. I have gone to artschool, but Our models had clothes. My mom asked about it once, for her to be a model an I felt awful, I was a teen at that time and yes it did feel dirty to me as a teenager of tender age. I did not want to hear bad talk about my mom either. If she had modelled, I might have asked to move to another school or just rebelled and quit school until she agreed to let me start in another one. I know not so christian behavior but I was not going to have it. I have worked as an actress in 5 years and come across similar ethical questions. I have simply said that I kiss nobody and no nudity of any sort for me and that from the start and if that is not ok then goodby. If You are unsure of what to do, then go the safe way and learn to say no and stay no. What other people do is up to them but my business is my business.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Besides, how do You know only women lust? There are quite a lot of gay artists and what does Your wife and the Bible say about that... if You want more thoughts to consider.

 

[BeStill&Know]

Hi everyone,

I have a question. I am a married artist and am wondering what your thoughts are on a christian modeling in the nude for a figure drawing class? Is this completely unacceptable? Would this be forbidden in a marriage even though it is not sexual? I am just curious to see how it would be perceived within a CHristian Community.

Look forward to some insight as I have been asked to do this but not sure as a Christian if this is "sin" if there are no alterior motives other than helping artists improve their drawing skills.

ask the Holy Spirit

 

[garysibio]

Thank you for the response. She is an artist as well and is ok with it. I was just mainly curious as to whether or not it would be deemed as sinful. Or if it is ok for me to do? Just wondering if I am over thinking this or not because I don't really see it as a big deal...

Nudity, in and of itself, is not sinful. The apostles were naked when they went fishing. In John's gospel, when Jesus appeared to them on the beach after His resurrection, Peter had to put his clothes back on. God commanded Isaiah to walk around naked for three years. If nudity was inherently sinful, God would not have ordered it.

Gary

 

[EmeraldFields]

If I was a hunk , which I Am, and someone wanted to put my hunkness on a canvas....I would oblige....if I were single. An insecure person would not...and would probably give other reasons other than their our insecurity.
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Your hunkness? LMBO!!

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

your body belongs to your spouse and no one else. i'd tell you not to do it even if you weren't married.

women not sexually stimulated by the male body is news to me. women will watch porn to see a guy having his way with a chic and imagine it's them. male strip clubs frequented by females actually do exist. women desire physical attraction just as men do.

 

[Galatea]

I think you stereotype all women as thinking the same as you and your friends, it would be the same as saying all men are doomed to get into pornography as well as sleep around with tonz of women just because they are ALL wired this way. There are many women out there who can also struggle with seeing men without a shirt, or just in a tiny swimsuit as well as in the nude. I myself don't like seeing other men without a shirt on, I don't feel comfortable with this. Except of my husband, of course.

I am not speaking about myself and my friends, the fact that women are less visual than men is scientifically proven. Of course there are exceptions.

 

[wyatt1111]

Wow, thank you everyone for the responses. I was not expecting so many people to comment. It seems like their are a lot of varying opinions on the matter. What I am gathering is that some people are overly uptight on the issue.

To compare this with pornography on any level seems absurd to me. For one, there is nothing arousing about something like this. Also, if you go to a doctors office and see the female or male form depicted on the wall is this pornography? Have you sinned by looking at it? I remember in my sociology courses in college we watched movies depicting African cultures that live out their every day lives in the nude. Are they sinning every day for not being covered? Did I sin by watching those videos? Should I have stormed out of class and said it was unacceptable to show videos of naked people? Don't try and say they could not afford clothing because they could cover but that is their social norm.

Also, if Isaiah was commended to preach in the nude for three years can someone explain this to me? Could you not make the same argument that he could have caused a woman to stumble or lust? Does this not show that there are different states of nudity and intimacy? Can one not lust or be or intimate with clothing on as much as without clothing? If the male or female were to pose erotically I would absolutely say it was sinful but this is not the case in a figure drawing class.

How many people think on this forum would honestly say it is wrong to go to an art museum that depicts any kind of nudity? Would you cover your eyes in this setting because you are fearful of lusting? If not, like it or not, you are not opposed to nudity in the context of art. And with that said, you would be contradicting yourself to say it is a sin to be the model that helped to make that art possible.

Thoughts?

 

[JoeP222w]

Hi everyone,

I have a question. I am a married artist and am wondering what your thoughts are on a christian modeling in the nude for a figure drawing class? Is this completely unacceptable? Would this be forbidden in a marriage even though it is not sexual? I am just curious to see how it would be perceived within a CHristian Community.

Look forward to some insight as I have been asked to do this but not sure as a Christian if this is "sin" if there are no alterior motives other than helping artists improve their drawing skills.

I think there are only 2 people that should see your naked body: your spouse and your doctor (on a professional visit). Any other form is just setting yourself up for trouble.

It may not be directly sin, but it could be setting a stumbling block before others or yourself. I don't know of any Biblical reason why is would be encouraged to pose nude for "art". How does that bring glory to God? Some may argue that it would be displaying the glory of God's creation in the human body. I would say that would be an extreme stretch. Yes, the human body is a beautiful work of God's creation, but it is also not to be trivialized or used gratuitously. Just because God gives us freedoms to do some things, that does not mean that those things are wise to do.

 

[Nic Samojluk]

I suggest you read the story of Noah. He cursed one of his sons for watching the naked body of his father:

22Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his father naked and told his two brothers outside. 23But Shem and Japheth took a garment and laid it across their shoulders; then they walked in backward and covered their father’s naked body. Their faces were turned the other way so that they would not see their father naked.

24When Noah awoke from his wine and found out what his youngest son had done to him, 25he said,

“Cursed be Canaan!

The lowest of slaves

will he be to his brothers.”

This is found in the ninth chapter of Genesis.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Wow, thank you everyone for the responses. I was not expecting so many people to comment. It seems like their are a lot of varying opinions on the matter. What I am gathering is that some people are overly uptight on the issue.

To compare this with pornography on any level seems absurd to me. For one, there is nothing arousing about something like this. Also, if you go to a doctors office and see the female or male form depicted on the wall is this pornography? Have you sinned by looking at it? I remember in my sociology courses in college we watched movies depicting African cultures that live out their every day lives in the nude. Are they sinning every day for not being covered? Did I sin by watching those videos? Should I have stormed out of class and said it was unacceptable to show videos of naked people? Don't try and say they could not afford clothing because they could cover but that is their social norm.

Also, if Isaiah was commended to preach in the nude for three years can someone explain this to me? Could you not make the same argument that he could have caused a woman to stumble or lust? Does this not show that there are different states of nudity and intimacy? Can one not lust or be or intimate with clothing on as much as without clothing? If the male or female were to pose erotically I would absolutely say it was sinful but this is not the case in a figure drawing class.

How many people think on this forum would honestly say it is wrong to go to an art museum that depicts any kind of nudity? Would you cover your eyes in this setting because you are fearful of lusting? If not, like it or not, you are not opposed to nudity in the context of art. And with that said, you would be contradicting yourself to say it is a sin to be the model that helped to make that art possible.

Thoughts?

Do you care about loving your neighbor?
If you truly do, then you wouldn't even want that 1% of the female population who do have trouble in lusting after naked men to be tempted by your display of nakedness. This is not a doctor visit. This is you displaying yourself for artists to draw. Yes, most people in this enviroment would normally be professional. But people can be sinful and you increase the odds of sin to take place by being around more people. You go to a doctor because you have to. It is not required for you to pose nude in front of many people. Oh, and what about the gay artists who might view you at some point in the future? Do you want them to be tempted by your nude body? They ARE stimulated by visual senses because they are male. Again, can you imagine Jesus doing this? If you would answer, "no" then chances are it is not a good thing for you to do.


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[RaymondG]

Wow, thank you everyone for the responses. I was not expecting so many people to comment. It seems like their are a lot of varying opinions on the matter. What I am gathering is that some people are overly uptight on the issue.

To compare this with pornography on any level seems absurd to me. For one, there is nothing arousing about something like this. Also, if you go to a doctors office and see the female or male form depicted on the wall is this pornography? Have you sinned by looking at it? I remember in my sociology courses in college we watched movies depicting African cultures that live out their every day lives in the nude. Are they sinning every day for not being covered? Did I sin by watching those videos? Should I have stormed out of class and said it was unacceptable to show videos of naked people? Don't try and say they could not afford clothing because they could cover but that is their social norm.

Also, if Isaiah was commended to preach in the nude for three years can someone explain this to me? Could you not make the same argument that he could have caused a woman to stumble or lust? Does this not show that there are different states of nudity and intimacy? Can one not lust or be or intimate with clothing on as much as without clothing? If the male or female were to pose erotically I would absolutely say it was sinful but this is not the case in a figure drawing class.

How many people think on this forum would honestly say it is wrong to go to an art museum that depicts any kind of nudity? Would you cover your eyes in this setting because you are fearful of lusting? If not, like it or not, you are not opposed to nudity in the context of art. And with that said, you would be contradicting yourself to say it is a sin to be the model that helped to make that art possible.

Thoughts?

I dont think any of the people who believe the nude poses are sinful would even step foot in a gallery with nude pictures.

You know who i feel bad for? Male Gynecologists .... They must all be doomed to hell. who cares if they save women's lives.....they cant be looking at breasts and putting their hands down there all day and still be a christian.... WWJD? I dont think Jesus would be doing that.

Pray for the males that deliver babies as well.

 

[RaymondG]

Your hunkness? LMBO!!

Hey......When you love yourself.....everyone will love you as well....e.g.you'll be to busy to notice the ones that hate you.

 

[wyatt1111]

So is it sinful to go to an at museum or to see other cultures that may be in the nude? Should we go to the grocery store knowing it is possible that an attractive woman or man could could be shopping there and could tempt us?

Also, nobody answered the story of Isaiah? Could this not have caused women that saw him preaching to stumble? Are all sinners not capable of seeing the opposite sex clothed or unclothed and lusting?