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[wyatt1111]

Lust is a condition of the heart right?

 

[wyatt1111]

Would it be sinful for an attractive girl to go out in public knowing that she could cause men to lust? Or should she wear a Hijab and be fully covered?

 

[wyatt1111]

I am not trying to be facetious here but for all of the comments saying something along the lines of "what if you cause that 1% of women to lust", I think there is probably an equal if not higher probability of men or women lusting over someone walking down the sidewalk. It is a condition of the heart.

 

[Darkhorse]

Would it be sinful for an attractive girl to go out in public knowing that she could cause men to lust? Or should she wear a Hijab and be fully covered?

Well, a billion Muslims around the world would agree with the hijab - and a billion Muslims can't possibly be wrong!

(tongue-in-cheek)

 

[RaymondG]

There is no reason to mock or insult me. That is not nice and nor does it help to prove your case that you are right in any way. The best position to take on anything in this life is to do what Jesus would do. Also, nowhere in the New Testament do we find that it was acceptable to be around others in the nude. If a person stumbles into looking at the person in the nude, they will be held accountable for enticing the other person with their nude body. A person's body is supposed to be for a spouse within marriage. How would you like it if your spouse posed nude and men talked about your wife and said they fantasized about her? It sure wouldn't be a good thing now would it?

Side Note:

Oh, and to say that this cannot happen for a man poses nude is not true. While the percentage is low that a woman is attracted visually by looking at nude men, there is still a small percentage of women that do so.

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I forgot you were an expert in finding negativity/sin/bad in things. I have to watch how I phrase my responses to you...needless to say, I was not trying to be insulting.

You cant really try to imagine Jesus doing everything all the time....a lot of things available today was not back then. I love playing basketball....Should i think about it possibly being a sin before I dribble? Would Jesus Bounce a ball? No, because there werent any.....so I shouldnt? And no where is the NT does it say it is ok to Bounce Balls. Or should we only check for things that you say are bad?

I stated already how i felt about myself and wife posing nude... And people will talk and fantasize about me and my wife regardless of clothes....cause Im a Hunk. And I would feel the same way with them as I feel about you bringing up my wife in this thread (that is not about me).....I find no fault....you cant make me feel insulted, The Man that you could insult Died when I was born again....you should ponder that for a while.

My feeling is the same for this Post. I would not do it myself. But I find no fault in it, or any of the other views that were posted.

 

[FoundInGrace]

I wouldn't personally do it
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but I have put on a little tummy fat lately...

I took art classes with nude models and wasn't that comfortable drawing nudity i tried to choose an angle that was modest to draw but it was part of the class and I kept feeling sorry for them that they had to expose themselves to make money.

 

[Roseonathorn]

The signs in the swimming pools shower rooms need some update. Here in Finland they are crazy in the ladies rooms. First there is a sign with a woman showering in a dress and underneath an x over a swimmingsuit. On another shower there is a sign of man (toiletman) showering and underneath an x over a swimmingsuit. So we joke about these Finnish signs made by blondes maybe. Mom says it is because the arabs should not keep their swimmingsuits on, which is almost a dress.... Hey they obey the first sign. The truth is one should shower and wash away all dirt before putting on the bathing suit, but some are shy, some shower at home before they come to the swimming pool and some shower not at all. So maybe someone could make two balls upstairs and a triangle downstairs some arms and legs and a happy face for the ladies and some batong for the man.

 

[JacksBratt]

Would it be sinful for an attractive girl to go out in public knowing that she could cause men to lust? Or should she wear a Hijab and be fully covered?

So, here we have the typical comparison......

1/ dress provocative... to cause lust OR
2/ Wear a hijab.

No sense in being realistic.

There is a huge different with what my teen age daughter can wear to go out with her friends. There are a number of different stages between a "lady of the evening" sort of get up, dressing to attract men no matter who they are, dressing to be attractive, dressing very well and with fashion and dressing to go to grandma's, or wearing a tent with two eye holes.

So, yes, you can be out of line with what you wear to go out of your house.

 

[JacksBratt]

I forgot you were an expert in finding negativity/sin/bad in things. I have to watch how I phrase my responses to you...needless to say, I was not trying to be insulting.

You cant really try to imagine Jesus doing everything all the time....a lot of things available today was not back then. I love playing basketball....Should i think about it possibly being a sin before I dribble? Would Jesus Bounce a ball? No, because there werent any.....so I shouldnt? And no where is the NT does it say it is ok to Bounce Balls. Or should we only check for things that you say are bad?

I stated already how i felt about myself and wife posing nude... And people will talk and fantasize about me and my wife regardless of clothes....cause Im a Hunk. And I would feel the same way with them as I feel about you bringing up my wife in this thread (that is not about me).....I find no fault....you cant make me feel insulted, The Man that you could insult Died when I was born again....you should ponder that for a while.

My feeling is the same for this Post. I would not do it myself. But I find no fault in it, or any of the other views that were posted.

Are you saying that Jesus wouldn't rock at basket ball?

Are you saying that you cannot tell the difference between things that are sinful and things that are not sinful IF they were not done in Bible times?

So, let's do a quiz....

Would Jesus smoke?
Would Jesus play basket ball?
Would Jesus drive 100 mph in a 55 zone?
Would Jesus own a cell phone?
Would Jesus eat at McDonalds?
Would Jesus pose Nude?

And as for your statement on "when you love yourself"...

It's usually called vanity and I believe it is a sin.

 

[AlexDTX]

Hi everyone,

I have a question. I am a married artist and am wondering what your thoughts are on a christian modeling in the nude for a figure drawing class? Is this completely unacceptable? Would this be forbidden in a marriage even though it is not sexual? I am just curious to see how it would be perceived within a CHristian Community.

Look forward to some insight as I have been asked to do this but not sure as a Christian if this is "sin" if there are no alterior motives other than helping artists improve their drawing skills.

Lots of excellent insight from the comments. I heard the story of Demi Moore (I think) did a love scene in a movie. When she and her husband saw the scene in the screening her husband was mortified. She could not understand his offense. This was her craft and art. But from his point of view it was his wife on display. This may not help you, but it is another point of view.

 

[AlexDTX]

Hi everyone,

I have a question. I am a married artist and am wondering what your thoughts are on a christian modeling in the nude for a figure drawing class? Is this completely unacceptable? Would this be forbidden in a marriage even though it is not sexual? I am just curious to see how it would be perceived within a CHristian Community.

Look forward to some insight as I have been asked to do this but not sure as a Christian if this is "sin" if there are no alterior motives other than helping artists improve their drawing skills.

Here is an interesting video using nude models who are painted like animals. You can't tell they are nude until they break out of the shape of the animals.

13345415_1645003412489298_474046043_n.mp4

 

[RaymondG]

Are you saying that Jesus wouldn't rock at basket ball?

Are you saying that you cannot tell the difference between things that are sinful and things that are not sinful IF they were not done in Bible times?

So, let's do a quiz....

Would Jesus smoke?
Would Jesus play basket ball?
Would Jesus drive 100 mph in a 55 zone?
Would Jesus own a cell phone?
Would Jesus eat at McDonalds?
Would Jesus pose Nude?

And as for your statement on "when you love yourself"...

It's usually called vanity and I believe it is a sin.

Before I ate the snakes fruit, i couldn't see/tell bad/sin. My goal is to get back to those times.

Why doesnt WWJD apply to how we treat "sinners." Do we treat the woman sleeping with 5 men, unmarried, like Jesus did?...or do we throw stones and condemn? Do we tell them they are sinners and they are wrong,,,or do we tell they to come bring the last man you were with and let me tell you the way to life?

I see no fault is your condemnation and pointing out of bad and sin. Please respect my desire to see no fault and show the way to life instead, as well.

 

[aiki]

I have a question. I am a married artist and am wondering what your thoughts are on a christian modeling in the nude for a figure drawing class? Is this completely unacceptable? Would this be forbidden in a marriage even though it is not sexual? I am just curious to see how it would be perceived within a CHristian Community.

Blind post.

So, what's the bottom line for a Christian's conduct? To what does a Christian's morality boil down? Is Christian morality ultimately a subjective thing? Is it just whatever you feel comfortable with doing? No, Christ himself declares what the moral base line is for his disciples:

Matthew 22:35-39
35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying,
36 "Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?"
37 Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like it: 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'

As a follower of Christ, the question you should be asking isn't "Where are the boundaries?" or "How far is too far?" but, rather, "How do I demonstrate my love for Christ in everything I do?" and "How do I love others with God's holy, faithful, self sacrificing love?"

The apostle John makes no bones about how a Christian demonstrates his love for God:

1 John 2:4-6
4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

So, how does posing nude for an art class allow you to "walk as he walked," to keep the commands of God and show your sold-out love for Him? How is the holiness and purity of Christ evidenced as you strip off all your clothes and pose naked for others? How is God glorified in such behaviour?

Are you aware that public nakedness in Scripture is commonly associated with humiliation, sin and God's punishment of wickedness? (Ge. 9:20-24; Lev. 18:6-19; Isa. 47:3; Eze. 16:37; Na. 3:5, etc.) Though it is talked about many times in the Bible, you will find not one instance where public nakedness is urged upon the reader or commanded by God. The general tenor of Scripture is, actually, quite against public nakedness.

And what about the possibility of temptation to illicit thinking and desires that your naked form may arouse in those who see it? Scripture is quite plain that it falls to you as a disciple of Christ, a Christian, to make as sure as you can that you give no occasion for stumbling to another. How can you do so when you pose nude before others?

Selah.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Let me tell You, even eating fruit is seductive. I was fully dressed from top to toe in a dress to my ankles and not flaunting any female parts. But evidently I ate red Grapes like a heathen greek antichristian goddess on a coach where I lay resting because it was hot wheather. So I left the room, shared my grapes and ate my grapes elsewhere, not wanting people to stumble.

 

[JacksBratt]

Before I ate the snakes fruit, i couldn't see/tell bad/sin. My goal is to get back to those times.

So, you ate the snakes fruit now, did you?

We cannot live in the state that Adam and Eve lived in before they ate the forbidden fruit. We have knowledge of nakedness now. You cannot regain that innocence. Well, not until we are judged by Christ and live in our eternal incorruptible bodies as forgiven righteous souls.

You cannot get back to those times. Not in this dimension.

Why doesnt WWJD apply to how we treat "sinners." Do we treat the woman sleeping with 5 men, unmarried, like Jesus did?...or do we throw stones and condemn? Do we tell them they are sinners and they are wrong,,,or do we tell they to come bring the last man you were with and let me tell you the way to life?

I see no fault is your condemnation and pointing out of bad and sin. Please respect my desire to see no fault and show the way to life instead, as well.

I don't believe that I mentioned anything about treating anyone any which way.

I simply stated, or tried to, that what was a sin then, is a sin now. Things that didn't exist back then can still be determined to be sinful or not. It's no mystery.

God doesn't change the rules just to make society happy.

 

[Roseonathorn]

Quiz, Jesus would not smoke because it is not healthy, and we are to revere our bodies. Jesus would play basket ball, and be very good at it. He would teach the kids to play it too. Drive? No, Rather Fly. Jesus would invent His own cellphone, of some natural wood perhaps, He was a carpenter then, nowadays he would be an software engineer or a build houses. If he was served and given food from Mc Donalds He´d eat it otherwise he´d prefer smaller companies and private people to feed Him and pay them accordingly or give them what they need. Jesus came to die on a cross for our sins - nude. He prayed that He´d be spared but there was no other way. I wouldn´t call it posing. Posing is vanity. It get google ads pop up an underwear man in white boxershorts posing among female dresses and wigs. Click off that. that is not my Jesus. My Jesus is also a singer and He plays electrical guitar, piano and bagpipe.

 

[PollyJetix]

Raymond, there is no way to get back to those times.
What you are longing for, is the innocence of babyhood. Before you knew right from wrong.
That was the state of the naked Adam and Eve in the garden, before they ate the fruit.

But since humans fell, we know instinctively there is a difference between right and wrong.
And we will always know that difference. Even in heaven.

Satan tempted Eve by trying to get her to doubt the wisdom of God's instructions to her.

He is tempting you to think the same way about God.

When Adam and Eve felt guilty, they made fig leaf aprons for themselves.
As soon as they knew good from evil, they knew clothes were a good idea.

When God showed up on the scene, did he tell them they were mistaken about needing clothes? No.
Instead, He told them those fig leaf aprons were NOT ENOUGH!

And this issue of NOT ENOUGH CLOTHES was so big to God, that He shed the first blood ever shed on the earth, to make coats of animal skins, to cover those first humans.

That's how important it was to God, that the first humans got the message about what constituted proper clothing.

Not just their private parts. And not just females.
BOTH man and woman. And more than fig leaves sewed together, to make little aprons.

And it still matters that much to God, how much we cover our bodies.

You and I are not given the option by God to make up our own rules about whether fig leaf equivalents are okay. God said once they aren't. And when God says something, once is enough.

When we get to heaven, we won't go around naked. We will be wearing robes.
Sorry if that offends you, but it's the Bible.

 

[Blade]

Hi everyone,

I have a question. I am a married artist and am wondering what your thoughts are on a christian modeling in the nude for a figure drawing class? Is this completely unacceptable? Would this be forbidden in a marriage even though it is not sexual? I am just curious to see how it would be perceived within a CHristian Community.

Look forward to some insight as I have been asked to do this but not sure as a Christian if this is "sin" if there are no alterior motives other than helping artists improve their drawing skills.

.. your body is your husbands and his body is yours. I TRUELY understand the word "art" yet to think its not sexual to anyone there is foolish. Well in college CHRISTIAN dorm I new people that were studying to be a gynecologist for one reason and one reason only.

So no one that knows the lord Jesus Christ should ever do this. So getting naked infront of sinners people that dont know Christ people we are here to save..lead to Christ...this is how it is in Heaven? one would think GOD not man would know what ART really is not man. This is not art. As beautiful as the human body is...to be naked infront of others in this day and age will put a thought in someones mind. EVERYTHING we do should lead to point to Christ. Does this? Is this about HIM or you? Sorry.. we die each day so HE can leave through us. Every word every deed EVERYTHING we do should be to SHINE HIM!

This is not a easy ride (following Him). You are free.. to make this even harder.. He does not judge you nor condemn in any way.

Forgive me please.. these words pop up.. not from me. "how is your walk with Chrsit"

 

[RaymondG]

So, you ate the snakes fruit now, did you?

We cannot live in the state that Adam and Eve lived in before they ate the forbidden fruit. We have knowledge of nakedness now. You cannot regain that innocence. Well, not until we are judged by Christ and live in our eternal incorruptible bodies as forgiven righteous souls.

You cannot get back to those times. Not in this dimension.


I don't believe that I mentioned anything about treating anyone any which way.

I simply stated, or tried to, that what was a sin then, is a sin now. Things that didn't exist back then can still be determined to be sinful or not. It's no mystery.

God doesn't change the rules just to make society happy.

Yes I was there and took a bit of the fruit. Yes I can and will regain my place in eden in this life. As job said, in my flesh I shall see God. It is ok if you dont understand.

And I find no fault in you waiting for a future time, or a different body.

We all know God doesn't change. There are many here to point out sin and the bad....to say who is doing wrong and point to scriptures to explain how they know. Scriptures were used to condemn Jesus as well. We don't need more, do we?

I AM come not to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.

 

[Archivist]

One of my MD friends told me that when she was in medical school the med students served as patients to be examined by their fellow students. Her male counterparts saw her nude. She saw them nude. They also had outside people come on for examinations during which those people were naked. Doctors see people naked, they need to get used to it. Therefore it is part of their training as med students.

Artists have to have an understanding of the human body in order to properly paint the body. Painting nudes is part of their training. There is nothing wrong with being an artist and painting a nude, not is there anything wrong with posing as a nude model.