Art Model

[JacksBratt]

No thanks, Good luck to you on your journey to heaven.

Well, now I'm disappointed. Sounds like an interesting theory.

Oh well.

 

[Archivist]

Surely you don't think the reasons a doctor must observe a person naked are the same as those motivating an artist to draw a nude person? Comparing medical necessity to artistic interest seems a bit silly to me...

And you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. The fact is that certain professions deal with the naked human body. Artists, doctors, nurses, massage therapists all deal with the naked human body in one way or another.

 

[Archivist]

Note that I did not say that this isn't done..... I simply stated that it is not necessary.....

Unless you are sketching detailed drawings of the male or female genitalia.....you do not "need" a nude model...

It is done and done all over the world. I'm just saying it's not necessary.

One of my students served as a nude model for an art class and invited me to the class exhibit. Some excellent depictions of her breasts and buttocks, but none of her genitalia.

And, yes, it is a standard part of art school.

 

[JacksBratt]

One of my students served as a nude model for an art class and invited me to the class exhibit. Some excellent depictions of her breasts and buttocks, but none of her genitalia.

And, yes, it is a standard part of art school.

So, are you saying that, due to none of her genitalia being sketched, that she still needed to be nude for them to create their composition of her form?

 

[Archivist]

Check any history of the roles of men and women in those times...

So the role of women forbid them from standing on the shore of a lake? Wrong. Fishing villages were located along the Sea of Galilee; those on shore would have had a clear view of the water from the village. Further, while women did not work in the boats catching the fish, they did prepare food including drying fish for future use. So yes, it would have been possible for women to see naked fishermen.

I know, as soon as I'm asked for evidence, I have a point.

I ask for evidence when someone fails to prove their point.

 

[Archivist]

So, are you saying that, due to none of her genitalia being sketched, that she still needed to be nude for them to create their composition of her form?

Kind of hard to draw her breasts without actually seeing them.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

So now medical students shouldn't see anyone naked because "God can heal people without the use of a doctor." Well, when I get sick I'm going to a doctor.

So, if a doctor sees someone naked it "is in a private setting and for a specific purpose." Well, a nude model posing for an art class is also "in a private setting and for a specific purpose."

Not the same thing. Your physical survival does not depend on posing nude for medical reasons. Also, people of this world are going to do these things without Christians. I also do not see any major new medical advancements taking place as a result of posing nude, either. One is a necessity the other is not.

Also, I did not say you could not go to a doctor and be nude on some level in order for him to diagnose you. This is obviously for a necessary reason. Your survival. But posing nude for medical reasons is not for survival reasons. If a person wants to earn money, there are plenty of other good ways to glorify Christ besides posing nude. The Bible describes nakedness after the fall as something that is shameful. If you want others to display their shame, then by all means, go right ahead and do that. Just know that God is not necessarily in agreement with you doing that on your own today. God does what He does for His own reasons. He told Isaiah to go naked as a part of a prophecy against Ethiopa and Egypt in showing their shame (nakedness). God is not telling us to do what Isaiah has done. That wouldn't make any sense.


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[aiki]

And you are, of course, entitled to your opinion. The fact is that certain professions deal with the naked human body. Artists, doctors, nurses, massage therapists all deal with the naked human body in one way or another.

So? This is hardly grounds for dismissing the Bible's clear disapproval of public nakedness. And as I said, comparing medical necessity to artistic interest is comparing apples to oranges.

Selah.

 

[JackRT]

When my oldest daughter was in college taking an art program she came home one day and said "Dad, I sketched by first male nude today." I replied "What did you think of that?" and she said "Nothing much. He was obese and had pimples on his butt." I guess that took care of any eroticism.

 

[JacksBratt]

So the role of women forbid them from standing on the shore of a lake? Wrong. Fishing villages were located along the Sea of Galilee; those on shore would have had a clear view of the water from the village. Further, while women did not work in the boats catching the fish, they did prepare food including drying fish for future use. So yes, it would have been possible for women to see naked fishermen.



I ask for evidence when someone fails to prove their point.

That's OK, I haven't the time to give a presentation of the duties and roles of the women in these times.

However, if you think that they were just spending their days laying in the sun on the beach or strolling along the sand whilst ogling the naked fishermen, I'll not spoil your vision.

 

[aiki]

When my oldest daughter was in college taking an art program she came home one day and said "Dad, I sketched by first male nude today." I replied "What did you think of that?" and she said "Nothing much. He was obese and had pimples of his butt." I guess that took care of any eroticism.

This is the problem with arguing from anecdote: Your daughter's experience is not necessarily the experience of all others drawing nudes. I know of artists who have worked from absolutely stunning nude models. Regardless, none of these anecdotes change the negative tenor of Scripture toward public nudity.

Selah.

 

[JacksBratt]

Kind of hard to draw her breasts without actually seeing them.

Not really. It's naive to believe that students have not, at one point, seen a naked breast.

To say to the teacher.... "how can I draw her breast, I can't see it"?... then why are you in art class.... really?

The other point is "why is it necessary to draw a naked breast?"

All I'm saying is It Is Not Necessary.

 

[JacksBratt]

This is the problem with arguing from anecdote: Your daughter's experience is not necessarily the experience of all others drawing nudes. I know of artists who have worked from absolutely stunning nude models. Regardless, none these anecdotes change the negative tenor of Scripture toward public nudity.

Selah.

I agree, AND getting back to the main point.......

Is it acceptable for a CHRISTIAN to pose nude?

We are not talking about "does it happen" or "you can't draw something you can't see" or "but art schools have nude models"
or "well I'm a hunk and have a great body so I should be allowed".
or "doctors see men nude" etc, etc, etc.....

Is it proper and righteous of a Christian to deliberately remove their clothes and display their nakedness for the purpose of other people to view and sketch or draw their naked form......?

I am willing to bet that Christ would have a one word, two letter answer...NO

 

[Archivist]

That's OK, I haven't the time to give a presentation of the duties and roles of the women in these times.

In other words, you have nothing to offer on the subject.

However, if you think that they were just spending their days laying in the sun on the beach or strolling along the sand whilst ogling the naked fishermen, I'll not spoil your vision.

So nice of you to make up stuff that I never said. I did not say that women of the day were "just spending their days laying in the sun on the beach or strolling along the sand whilst ogling the naked fishermen." I did say that one of the duties of the women was drying the fish that were caught which would have meant working right along the water. I also said that the fishing villages were right along the lake, meaning that if the women in the village looked at the lake they would easily see the fishermen.

 

[Archivist]

Not really. It's naive to believe that students have not, at one point, seen a naked breast. To say to the teacher.... "how can I draw her breast, I can't see it"?... then why are you in art class.... really?

Because the students are supposed to be drawing what they see, not what they imagine.

The other point is "why is it necessary to draw a naked breast?" All I'm saying is It Is Not Necessary.

Because artists do that. It's nothing new, they have been painting nudes for thousands of years.

 

[Archivist]

So? This is hardly grounds for dismissing the Bible's clear disapproval of public nakedness. And as I said, comparing medical necessity to artistic interest is comparing apples to oranges.

In both cases it is training for a profession. Nothing wrong with posing naked for either medical students or art students.

 

[Archivist]

This is the problem with arguing from anecdote: Your daughter's experience is not necessarily the experience of all others drawing nudes. I know of artists who have worked from absolutely stunning nude models. Regardless, none these anecdotes change the negative tenor of Scripture toward public nudity.

We know that Peter fished while naked, yet scripture does not record that him being rebuked by Jesus for doing so. It was common practice for fishermen to fish while naked at that time.

 

[FoundInGrace]

We know that Peter fished while naked, yet scripture does not record that him being rebuked by Jesus for doing so. It was common practice for fishermen to fish while naked at that time.

I guess you could also say scripture doesn't record that because no one was sitting there drawing Peter naked..

 

[Meowzltov]

Art models or any type of nude model?

Only art models. Art is not prurient. Models for, say, advertisement, are definitely there to invite a sexual turn on for the purposes of making money--that's corruption.

 

[Meowzltov]

We know that Peter fished while naked, yet scripture does not record that him being rebuked by Jesus for doing so. It was common practice for fishermen to fish while naked at that time.

Completely naked? Or in his underwear? You know, the cloth that "girded his loins" so to speak.