Arson attack on Republican Offices

[BPPLEE]

This is my point in post #62. Everyone condemns violence when it's done by the other side but excuses it when their own side does it, turning to "whataboutism".

This is why, whether a liberal or a conservative creates a thread to condemn violence from the other side, I question their sincerity. They state that they condemn violence, but it seems they may be more accepting of it when it comes from their own side.

I don't accept anyone attacking Asians for any reason. And from the race of most of the attackers I wouldn't bet on them being Trump supporters

The Hate-Crime Distraction

Viral videos of senseless violence have captured public attention since crime began rising in 2020. Some of the most extreme examples are attacks against Asian-Americans. Earlier this year, for instance, three teens and an 11-year-old, all black, beat and kicked in the head a 70-year-old woman...

www.city-journal.org

my own analysis—using newer hate-crime dataand comparing the perpetrators with the “likely neighbors” of a given Asian-American—finds that whites were about 28 percent more likely, and blacks about 255 percent more likely, to attack Asians than neighborhood demographics might predict.)
The data indicate just how misleading the narrative of white-on-Asian violence really is. While black perpetrators account for 27.5 percent of violent attacks against Asians, Asians commit less than 0.1 percent of violent attacks against blacks, indicating little role for proximity. Most violent attacks against individuals of a particular racial group are committed by other members of that group—except for Asians, where a plurality is committed by blacks. In fact, blacks are responsible for 305 percent more violent crime against Asians than neighborhood demographics would predict, while whites and Hispanics commit significantly fewer attacks against Asians than would be expected.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I don't accept anyone attacking Asians for any reason. And from the race of most of the attackers I wouldn't bet on them being Trump supporters

The Hate-Crime Distraction

Viral videos of senseless violence have captured public attention since crime began rising in 2020. Some of the most extreme examples are attacks against Asian-Americans. Earlier this year, for instance, three teens and an 11-year-old, all black, beat and kicked in the head a 70-year-old woman...

www.city-journal.org

Another attempt to deflect the blame to someone else. Thank you. Every time you post , you prove my point.

 

[Say it aint so]

If you cannot see how the current liberal ideology that is burning things and attacking innocent people is a problem there is not much I can say. I will challenge you as well like I did our down under friend to show examples of conservatives engaging in domestic terrorism. I in no way imply that all liberals are doing these things but the response against it is weak from the left.

Attacking and burning things is no more a "liberal ideology" then burning clinics, killing doctors, pipe bombs, and attacking capital police and defecating in the capital is no more a "conservative ideology". Take a little introspection.

I really don’t know what you are getting at here. I am neither Southern Baptist or Catholic. That said Catholics should get rid of child abusers and Southern Baptist should do the same. In many cases the cover up is worse than the crime because it allows it to continue. I stand by what I wrote. It is liberal ideology that is the current cancer in our country. It is left fighting tooth and nail to prevent Trump from removing rapist, murders, child abusers, and drug dealers. It is the left engaging in domestic terrorism those are the facts in our world today.

Well let me make it simpler. I am American and I suspect you are American too. I support America, and I suspect you support America too. Yet America has enacted some horrid atrocities both at home and around the world. Far more worse than the things you bring up.
Is it to be expected both you and I should end our support? Should we renounce our citizenship? Of course not.

BTW, there is nothing stopping Trump dealing with "rapist, murders, child abusers, and drug dealers". That's what the Justice Department is for under his executive branch. If your reference is deportation, there is nothing stopping him from doing that as well. Bush did it. Obama did it. Biden did it. And Trump does it. Don't confuse deportation through the construct of our constitution guided judicial system, as juxtaposed to just being an autocratic idiot who thinks both the constitution and the judicial system can be just ignored.

 

[Pommer]

When are you guys going to wake up?

Afterwards

 

[BPPLEE]

Another attempt to deflect the blame to someone else. Thank you. Every time you post , you prove my point.

You're claiming there's a direct link from Trump calling Covid the China virus to attacks on Asian Americans.
There is no way to prove your claim.
And I provided several examples of viruses named for where they originated.
I have not proven your point because it cannot be proven
If you're going to blame Trump, here is a video of some other people you should blame for actually calling for violence

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

You're claiming there's a direct link from Trump calling Covid the China virus to attacks on Asian Americans.
There is no way to prove your claim.
And I provided several examples of viruses named for where they originated.
I have not proven your point because it cannot be proven
If you're going to blame Trump, here is a video of some other people you should blame for actually calling for violence

You are continuing to find excuses not to condemn the violence incited by President Trump's extreme rhetoric.

The problem in America today is that we condemn violence insincerely. We denounce violence from the opposing side but excuse it when it's from our own.

 

[Pommer]

Fifteen Democratic senators and Independent senator Bernie Sanders voted against President Bush's immigration reform, which aimed to secure the border and provide a path to citizenship for millions of undocumented immigrants.

These come to 16, which would have left 84 (assuming the Republican all voted for the Bush immigration plan), so why didn’t it garner the 60 votes needed to invoke cloture?

 

[BPPLEE]

You are continuing to find excuses not to condemn the violence incited by President Trump's extreme rhetoric.

The problem in America today is that we condemn violence insincerely. We denounce violence from the opposing side but excuse it when it's from our own.

I'm not excusing all his rhetoric, we're only talking about the China virus.
He's said other things that I wouldn't try to defend like saying illegal immigrants are poisoning the blood of America.
That was stupid, racist and incendiary

 

[Postvieww]

You're claiming there's a direct link from Trump calling Covid the China virus to attacks on Asian Americans.
There is no way to prove your claim.
And I provided several examples of viruses named for where they originated.
I have not proven your point because it cannot be proven
If you're going to blame Trump, here is a video of some other people you should blame for actually calling for violence

This video is proof of what the problem is in our country today. I challenge anyone to find a compilation video of politicians on the right ranting in a way that even comes close to this disgraceful compilation.

 

[Bradskii]

I did acknowledge that there were SOME thinking liberals.

No, actually you didn't. You tarred everyone with the same brush. Something comes to mind about notes and beams.

But you did suggest that these anti Tesla actions were perhaps being organised by people like Soros. You aren't living in the same reality as I am.

 

[MrMoe]

Do you take that term to mean silence is equal to encouragement and support?

-- A2SG, dunno, there may be a difference of context here....

According to explanations I've found on the phrase, yes, remaining silent when witnessing violence is seen as complicity or support for the violence.

 

[MrMoe]

Do you believe silence is violence?

No.

 

[A2SG]

Yes, that is why I said that I hadn't seen many. Lol

Sure. But, if we're to condemn some politicians just for being silent on violence (keeping in mind they're not at all condoning it, let alone encouraging or supporting it), shouldn't we be more interested in condemning those who actually do encourage and support violence?

And yet, some have praised politicians (one in particular) for encouraging and supporting violent behavior, even as they now condemn others for not saying anything one way or the other. Don't you see something wrong with that?

-- A2SG, or is this a rules for thee but not for me situation.....

 

[A2SG]

According to explanations I've found on the phrase, yes, remaining silent when witnessing violence is seen as complicity or support for the violence.

I'm sure some have that view. I asked if you agreed.

In a subsequent post, you say you do not.

Which is it?

-- A2SG, just trying to figure out your point here....

 

[Postvieww]

No, actually you didn't. You tarred everyone with the same brush. Something comes to mind about notes and beams.

But you did suggest that these anti Tesla actions were perhaps being organised by people like Soros. You aren't living in the same reality as I am.

Many liberals in this country are unhinged lunatics and very few thinking liberals are stepping up to stop them .

No, actually you didn't. You tarred everyone with the same brush. Something comes to mind about notes and beams.

Actually I did!

But you did suggest that these anti Tesla actions were perhaps being organised by people like Soros. You aren't living in the same reality as I am.

Do you you really doubt someone is paying for this Tesla side show? Who paid for the Q cards photographed in the hands of a protester outlining phrases to shout? When interviewed some of the protesters could not coherently explain why they were there. You are correct we are not living in the same reality!

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I'm not excusing all his rhetoric, we're only talking about the China virus.
He's said other things that I wouldn't try to defend like saying illegal immigrants are poisoning the blood of America.
That was stupid, racist and incendiary

The virus originated in China and in early days was often referred to as the Wuhan virus by media. By mid-2020, when Asian-Americans experienced increased attacks and discrimination, the media began using the term Covid-19, while President Trump continued to use "China virus" and increasingly used that term in his campaign. Even during his last campaign, he kept using that name.

Considering that "China virus" may lead to discrimination, shouldn't the President Trump use a different term to reduce tensions and maintain calm?

 

[Yarddog]

Sure. But, if we're to condemn some politicians just for being silent on violence (keeping in mind they're not at all condoning it, let alone encouraging or supporting it), shouldn't we be more interested in condemning those who actually do encourage and support violence?

Yes, (keeping in mind that we do not see everything that is said, positive or negative.)

And yet, some have praised politicians (one in particular) for encouraging and supporting violent behavior, even as they now condemn others for not saying anything one way or the other. Don't you see something wrong with that?

Yes

-- A2SG, or is this a rules for thee but not for me situation.....

Sadly, this occurs .

 

[A2SG]

Yes, (keeping in mind that we do not see everything that is said, positive or negative.)

Yes

Sadly, this occurs .

Cool. Glad we can agree.

-- A2SG, ain't it nice when that happens....

 

[Postvieww]

I am not making claims.

No you are not because on this topic there no claims liberals can make. But many liberals show their true colors by offering no solutions to the waste fraud and abuse only complaining when someone is actually doing something. Someone once said if you throw a rock into a pack of dogs the one that got hit screams the loudest. That is what we are witnessing now. Slush funds are being exposed and those most affected are screaming the loudest.

 

[stevil]

I am the son of a legal immigrant. Who follows the laws of entry.

Why didn’t you answer my question?

First off, I condemn attacks on Republican party offices. Violence isn't the answer and protests should be peaceful.


But my question for you, have you noticed that legal immigrants have been targeted by ICE and are being arrested without having done anything illegal, are not being given due process and some are finding themselves locked up in foreign maximum security prisons.

Also there were about half a million legal immigrants who had their legal status pulled suddenly by Trump and are being deported.
Also there are many Trump supporters/voters who are now having their peaceful wives, husbands, and other family members deported all of a sudden even though they are working through the process to get there green cards but don't have millions of dollars to buy the instant green card that Trump has offered. maybe they've said something in support of Palestine, maybe they have a tattoo,, maybe they are trying very hard to work through the long and slow process to get permanent residence or citizenship. All sorts of reasons, but the thing they all have in common is they don't look white.