Arson attack on Republican Offices

[Say it aint so]

Really now! Please point out the inaccuracies.

One can support the existence of Israel, but not condone the killing of innocent Palestine. One can support Palestine, but not condone the killings conducted by HAMAS. One can support GOP ideology, but not condone their history of how did you put it, "...the party engaged by either participation, failure to condemn, or outright encouragement of said violence." To infer support should end when elements conducting actions one doesn't approve of takes place, is kind of in this case Matthew 7:3-5. I think (as example). It's kind of rich for a Southern Baptist to be critical of a Catholic because of the child sexual abuse inaction of Catholic Church leadership. When the actions of the Southern Baptist are just as hideous come to child sexual abuse. In that last example if I am reading you right, every supporting Catholic should stop being Catholic and every supporting Southern Baptist should stop being a Southern Baptist.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

They are acting/operating like al-Qaeda..

For real.

Has been for years now. Start paying attention because it's becoming far more violent.

They are mixing Islam with Marxism, and there's no "head" with al-Qaeda either.

So now you have to find the religious system that tells people it's okay to commit violence against people for a political result - and figure out who their prophets are.

When you do that you will see it.

Because there's a system telling large men it's okay to run elderly women off the road to punch them in the face, that tells people in moving vehicles they can and should run over pedestrians, and that tells people firebombing buildings and cars is an acceptable practice plus it's highly religious in nature with more than their fair share of prophets and religious leaders.

There is no "they"; only "we".

Both sides engage in violence, but when our side does, we remain silent or justify it. When the other side does, they are labeled as Nazis or al-Qaeda.

In 2020, there were incidents of violence against elderly Asian women, as some people blamed China for COVID-19. President Trump referred to COVID-19 as the "China virus," a term that is still used by some conservative groups and MAGA supporters today.

In 2021, a violent mob broke into the Capitol to challenge the results of the U.S. election. President Trump subsequently pardoned them. In some circles, these individuals are viewed as heroes.

I do not condone these acts of violence. As I have stated in this and many other threads, there is no place for violence in America or any democracy. However , when I see conservatives accusing liberals of violence or labeling them as extremists, or repeatedly discussing violence by Democrats, I take it with caution. This is because these conservatives tend to have a completely different reaction when violence is committed by their own side. In fact, they often support such violence if it serves their interests. This reflects a broader issue in America, where partisan views have become so entrenched that it blinds us to our own shortcomings.

 

[BPPLEE]

There is no "they"; only "we".

Both sides engage in violence, but when our side does, we remain silent or justify it. When the other side does, they are labeled as Nazis or al-Qaeda.

In 2020, there were incidents of violence against elderly Asian women, as some people blamed China for COVID-19. President Trump referred to COVID-19 as the "China virus," a term that is still used by some conservative groups and MAGA supporters today.

In 2021, a violent mob broke into the Capitol to challenge the results of the U.S. election. President Trump subsequently pardoned them. In some circles, these individuals are viewed as heroes.

I do not condone these acts of violence. As I have stated in this and many other threads, there is no place for violence in America or any democracy. However , when I see conservatives accusing liberals of violence or labeling them as extremists, or repeatedly discussing violence by Democrats, I take it with caution. This is because these conservatives tend to have a completely different reaction when violence is committed by their own side. In fact, they often support such violence if it serves their interests. This reflects a broader issue in America, where partisan views have become so entrenched that it blinds us to our own shortcomings.

Before Trump called it the China virus it was known as the Wuhan virus and referred to as such by the media. No one seemed to have any problem with that.
From AI:
The Wuhan virus, also known as COVID-19, is a respiratory illness caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It was first identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019

 

[Postvieww]

From here: The loudest silence: Top Democrats remain mum amid violent attacks on Tesla

Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn., however, was clear in calling for an end to the violence when asked about the string of Tesla attacks.

"I'm opposed to violence. I don't believe in violence. People can voice their opposition, but we can't live in a violent nation," DeLauro told Fox News Digital. "People can be opposed to something, and people boycott stuff all the time… but the violence needs to stop. We can't really make that a part of what our national discourse is."

Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., has also been firm in his condemnation of Tesla attacks and urged his Democratic colleagues to follow suit.
"There is zero tolerance for acts of vandalism against Tesla. Spraying the words "nazi cars" or lighting fire to dealerships and chargers is wrong. Period. All Democrats should condemn it," he said in an X post earlier this month.

When asked by Fox News Digital last week if the Tesla attacks are domestic terrorism, Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., acknowledged that everyone has a right to protest but no one has the right to violence.'

I agree with those comments. As do all. If you think that a lack of comment equates to an acceptance of said violence then you're living in a different world than I am. That said, do I think that politics in the US has reached a point where those from either side are depressingly slow in condemning actions by their 'supporters' (with exceptions such as those above)? Yes I most definitely do. So I wouldn't get on a high horse and start waving a virtuous flag about, calling for support for 'your side' and berating the opposition. You're not in a position to do so. Your whole political system is in the toilet right now. The rest of the world looks on in horror at what you have become.

If you think you can score a couple of cheap political points because some morons are torching Teslas and you think that's the main point here, then you really haven't got your eye on the ball.

I did acknowledge that there were SOME thinking liberals. But it is a fact that the current chaos is from the liberal side. So your cherry picking of a few sane liberals proved nothing other than the fact they see the writing on the wall for reelection.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Before Trump called it the China virus it was known as the Wuhan virus and referred to as such by the media. No one seemed to have any problem with that.
From AI:
The Wuhan virus, also known as COVID-19, is a respiratory illness caused by the SARS-CoV-2 virus. It was first identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019

Are you attempting to justify violence by some Americans toward Asian Americans, or are you trying to change the topic?

 

[BPPLEE]

Are you attempting to justify violence by some Americans toward Asian Americans, or are you trying to change the topic?

No, I'm not justifying violence against anyone, but if the name of the virus caused violence against Asian Americans the media are far more guilty than Trump

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Before Trump called it the China virus it was known as the Wuhan virus and referred to as such by the media. No one seemed to have any problem with that.

That's not true at all. Why do you think "COVID-19" became the standard designation? In February of 2020, the WHO specifically stated that they avoid the use of any geographical locations when naming diseases in order to prevent unnecessary stigma.

 

[Fantine]

I did acknowledge that there were SOME thinking liberals. But it is a fact that the current chaos is from the liberal side. So your cherry picking of a few sane liberals proved nothing other than the fact they see the writing on the wall for reelection.

The elections in FL and WI today will be a referendum on Trump. The Florida districts are 70% Republican. Even a close win would mean dawning awareness of the danger he presents, but I am hoping for a win in Wisconsin and Florida Dist. 6.

 

[BPPLEE]

That's not true at all. Why do you think "COVID-19" became the standard designation? In February of 2020, the WHO specifically stated that they avoid the use of any geographical locations when naming diseases in order to prevent unnecessary stigma.

The media had already been calling it the Wuhan virus

• Many media outlets did refer to the coronavirus as the “Wuhan virus” before WHO officially named it, which defenders of using the controversial term have pointed out, according to the Washington Post.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

No, I'm not justifying violence against anyone, but if the name of the virus caused violence against Asian Americans the media are far more guilty than Trump

The name caused some incidents of violence, and President Trump repeatedly used the name. Do you think President Trump had a responsibility to use a different name so that individuals wouldn't find an excuse to commit violence?

 

[BPPLEE]

The name caused some incidents of violence, and President Trump repeatedly used the name. Do you think President Trump had a responsibility to use a different name so that individuals wouldn't find an excuse to commit violence?

Do you think the media had the same responsibility?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Do you think the media had the same responsibility?

Are you trying to deflect the situation?

Do you think President Trump had a responsibility to change the nickname of Covid-19 to reduce violence against Asian Americans?

 

[Postvieww]

One can support the existence of Israel, but not condone the killing of innocent Palestine. One can support Palestine, but not condone the killings conducted by HAMAS. One can support GOP ideology, but not condone their history of how did you put it, "...the party engaged by either participation, failure to condemn, or outright encouragement of said violence." To infer support should end when elements conducting actions one doesn't approve of takes place, is kind of in this case Matthew 7:3-5.

If you cannot see how the current liberal ideology that is burning things and attacking innocent people is a problem there is not much I can say. I will challenge you as well like I did our down under friend to show examples of conservatives engaging in domestic terrorism. I in no way imply that all liberals are doing these things but the response against it is weak from the left.

I think (as example). It's kind of rich for a Southern Baptist to be critical of a Catholic because of the child sexual abuse inaction of Catholic Church leadership. When the actions of the Southern Baptist are just as hideous come to child sexual abuse. In that last example if I am reading you right, every supporting Catholic should stop being Catholic and every supporting Southern Baptist should stop being a Southern Baptist.

I really don’t know what you are getting at here. I am neither Southern Baptist or Catholic. That said Catholics should get rid of child abusers and Southern Baptist should do the same. In many cases the cover up is worse than the crime because it allows it to continue. I stand by what I wrote. It is liberal ideology that is the current cancer in our country. It is left fighting tooth and nail to prevent Trump from removing rapist, murders, child abusers, and drug dealers. It is the left engaging in domestic terrorism those are the facts in our world today.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The media had already been calling it the Wuhan virus

• Many media outlets did refer to the coronavirus as the “Wuhan virus” before WHO officially named it, which defenders of using the controversial term have pointed out, according to the Washington Post.

Yes, and people had a problem with that, contrary to what you claimed.

 

[BPPLEE]

Are you trying to deflect the situation?

Do you think President Trump had a responsibility to change the nickname of Covid-19 to reduce violence against Asian Americans?

Do you think the media had the same responsibility?
A moron who thinks he should assault Asians over COVID would do the same thing no matter what you call it. Everyone knew where it came from.
Anyone who would do such a thing was probably not motivated just by a name.
Haven't other viruses been named for where they originated?
Wasn't there an Asian flu?
German measles?
Spanish flu, West Nile virus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, Zika and Ebola,

 

[BPPLEE]

Yes, and people had a problem with that, contrary to what you claimed.

I remember the media had a problem with Trump calling it the China virus when they had been calling it the Wuhan virus.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Oh, that's a new one. The people with compassion are angry and hateful?
perhaps they are afflicting the complacency of the comfortable.

No - it's not new - most people stand up for righteousness and doing what is lawfully - especially immigrants like my parents who followed the laws and came in legally.

People with compassion are not filled with anger and hatred - they are also not filled with ignorance and stupidity.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

I remember the media had a problem with Trump calling it the China virus when they had been calling it the Wuhan virus.

"The media" is not a monolithic entity. Furthermore, having used the wrong term for something in the past does not mean that you cannot criticize someone for using the wrong term in the present. People are capable of learning. Once you have learned that something is wrong, there is nothing hypocritical about sharing that knowledge with others - and being critical if that knowledge has become much more widespread since you learned it.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Do you think the media had the same responsibility?
A moron who thinks he should assault Asians over COVID would do the same thing no matter what you call it. Everyone knew where it came from.
Anyone who would do such a thing was probably not motivated just by a name.
Haven't other viruses been named for where they originated?
Wasn't there an Asian flu?
German measles?
Spanish flu, West Nile virus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, Zika and Ebola,

This is my point in post #62. Everyone condemns violence when it's done by the other side but excuses it when their own side does it, turning to "whataboutism".

This is why, whether a liberal or a conservative creates a thread to condemn violence from the other side, I question their sincerity. They state that they condemn violence, but it seems they may be more accepting of it when it comes from their own side.

 

[BPPLEE]

"The media" is not a monolithic entity. Furthermore, having used the wrong term for something in the past does not mean that you cannot criticize someone for using the wrong term in the present. People are capable of learning. Once you have learned that something is wrong, there is nothing hypocritical about sharing that knowledge with others - and being critical if that knowledge has become much more widespread since you learned it.

Asian flu, German measles,
Spanish flu, West Nile virus, Middle East Respiratory Syndrome, Zika and Ebola,