If you think that it does not, then inform me what 665 things I am to count prior to Satan's arrival on the scene.
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If you think that it does not, then inform me what 665 things I am to count prior to Satan's arrival on the scene.
It is not my premise either -- it is exactly what the Bible states! Can't you read??
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
And, as usual, you are in complete error -- I have wisdom and you are the ignorant one! You don't want to "count".
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zeke37
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666, is a far cry from 6,6,6.
so, your words against you.
plus, Satan is here in vials 1 and 5.
2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
so, your words against you.
plus, Satan is here in vials 1 and 5.
2And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
10And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
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I'm beginning to think you are a clone who is trolling for sick laughs. But in the off-chance you are not:
Please re-read that scripture. Does it say "it is the number of counting"? No, it says number "of a man". Even if your 6,6,6 theory was valid (which it isn't), it is the number (or in your case 3 numbers) of a man. Not "events which countdown". The "counting" has to do with that "man" not a list of events which proceed him. Get it?
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If 666 is not an allegory for 6,6,6, then provide the 665 things that I am to count prior to Satan's appearnce!! You, like everyone else who maintains your [false] belief regarding 666, are completely dumbfounded in proving your position.
How is it reasonable for God to have an endtime generation count 665 prior scriptural things?? I would surmise that most all, who are not blinded by their respective religious-hack brainwashing [indoctrination], would conclude that it is unreasonable for God to expect the endtime generation to count 665 prior things [events].
The scripture states to count the number and defines the number as six hundred sixty six. You cannot escape the word "count". It is really a very simple concept. One is either counting, one at a time, 665 prior events or three separate groupings of 5 prior events.
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realtruth101
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Everyone should take a little lesson in Hermeneutics if they agree to this interpretation of the ten virgins, ....let me explain....in biblical interpretation of a parable you should be able to insert the interpreted name and the rest of the passage should make perfect sense, heres a simple example, everywhere in scripture where it says "Lamb of God" you can insert the name Jesus Christ and the scripture continues to make perfect sense, Do this same test with the word "OIL" in the virgins lamps, change it to "HOLY SPIRIT" then reread the parable and see if it passes basic hermeneutics, If you feel it does! please direct me to the store that sells Holy Spirit, and what price can I get it for, Simon the Sorcerer would have been very interested in such a store. Arnold Murray is notorious for the worst bible hermeneutics
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If he is, then you certainly would not be the one to prove it. No one here, except me, has yet demonstrated a single teaching of AM that is false.
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zeke37
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does AM teach the 6th seal chronologically, or just the 6th seal.
plus, both Zadok and I are not limited to just 2 choices for the possible understanding of 666.
you seem to be, and trust me, we already know you do not believe the 665 prior events theme.....
your continued repetition of saying to me/us, that we have to count 665 prior events as being the only other choice,
comes across as ignorant and makes you look childish.
If i did not know better, i`d swear you were a troll too.
the fact is, that we do not believe we are to count 665 prior events either...
so drop it and perhaps the floor will be open to exploring the other posibilities.
you have proven nothing.
the number is that of a man, not 666 events.
plus, both Zadok and I are not limited to just 2 choices for the possible understanding of 666.
you seem to be, and trust me, we already know you do not believe the 665 prior events theme.....
your continued repetition of saying to me/us, that we have to count 665 prior events as being the only other choice,
comes across as ignorant and makes you look childish.
If i did not know better, i`d swear you were a troll too.
the fact is, that we do not believe we are to count 665 prior events either...
so drop it and perhaps the floor will be open to exploring the other posibilities.
you have proven nothing.
the number is that of a man, not 666 events.
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realtruth101
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I'm very proud of you, you have exceeded our wildest dreams in your great rebutals and convincing debate, I on the otherhand have merely stated that if one were to simply read the bible, with no aid or mentorship, nobody would ever come to the conclusions and interpretations he has. And thats just the simple truth of the matter......somtimes no proof is needed other than common sense
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You should know -- you claim to know AM's teachings better than I do.
Neither you or Zadok7000 want to acknowledge your gross error. The key to understanding 666 is "COUNT". If one counts, there are only two possibilities. One is counting 665 prior things/events or 3 separate 5 prior things/events.
If you think it is the former, than list the 665 things/events to be counted. If one thinks it is the latter, it is easy to prove. They are the prior 5 seals [chronologically], 5 trumpets, and 5 vials. Satan's appearance is the 6th of each.
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zeke37
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Well, I do know, but I never claimed to know his teachings better than you.
I`ve only been a student of his for app. 7 years.
but the question was rhetorical.
IOW, he does not teach as you do on the seals...
first off, there is no gross error here on our part.
second, it is your preimse to possibly count 665 prior events, not ours.
We realize the word COUNT is there.
and still, we think you are in error.
how are you going to plant seeds with your arrogance and negative posting demeanor.
you do PM and yourself a discredit by your attitude.
folks have based an opinion of his teachings, on your responses...
and as i have very easily seen myself, folks will not want to even converse with you for learning purposes because of the WAY you post.
how long have you been at this online, yet you fail to see this.
learn how to teach.
your limitation is having but 2 choices.
I do not share that limitation.
PM teaches something different than you with regards to the 6th seal.
plus, the 1st and 5th vile is poured on the beast`s seat and kingdom,
on those who took the mark and worshiped the beast...
the image that is worshiped is Satan, not a statue or whatever.
I thot every SC student knew that.
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Well, you are a pathetically poor student. Since you asked that question, it proves that you have not been paying attention.
You are clueless! Since PM accurately teaches 6,6,6, of course he never teaches that Satan is on the scene prior to the first vial. And, he has never taught that the mark of the beast is anything other than the false belief. Hence, the 'image' is exactly that -- an 'image' and not the entity defacto.
Still waiting for your acknowledgment of gross error!
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zeke37
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there`s that great attitude again...
Pastor Murray teaches that the in 6th seal, as we read it,
the wrath is Satan`s, and that people THINK the Lord`s day has come, but that it is all deception.
gotta love the attitude.
who ever said that Satan was on the scene PRIOR to the 1st vial?
not I.
The first vial shows that Satan is here defacto. deal with it.
how is that HENCE? because u say so?
deceived Christians worshiping the false Christ is a backbone teaching of the SCN.
until then, they are Christians, supposed brides to be in waiting.
they do not worship a statue or a thing....
you`ll be waiting a long time...you have not proven your case.
I`m still waiting for you to admit that you said Satan was on the scene in the 5th vial...
as seen in post 109.
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You prove you are a phony! [One should always suspect the disingenousness of a person that posts under multiple handles.] PM always teaches that the seals are not in chronological order. And, he teaches that the rider of Rev. 6:2 is Satan, which is the 6th seal chronologically.
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realtruth101
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Are you for Arnold Murray or against his teaching, I'm confused, but if you want only one we can start with the forbidden fruit, Arnold interprets this tree, (trunk) to be satan and "their" (partaking of it) "eating it" to be The two of them had intercourse with satan, Arnold says he doesn't know if it means Adam had homosexual sex with the devil but in Eves case she got pregnant from this (partaking of forbidden fruit) and bore Cain.........now you ask anyone to read this from any KJV and if you can find one person that gets Arnolds interpretation then I will forever declare "you are the smartest person in the world" and I am an IDIOT!
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LOL -- you are truly unlearned! You believe in 'magic fruit trees'...LOL!!!
When did Adam first have sex with the woman?? Well, scripture clearly indicates it in Gen. 4:1. Have you ever read it??
Gen 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
The woman already had her name when Adam first had sex with her. How did she get her name?? Have you ever read it??
Gen 3:20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
Adam named her Eve because she was already pregnant -- pregnant before Adam had sex with her!
Since Adam did not first make her pregnant who did?? Have you not read it??
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
So, the Bible clearly identifies the 'serpent' as the impregnator of the child in the woman for which Adam named her. Who is the 'serpent'?? Have you not read it??Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
The 'serpent' in the Garden was Satan. Snakes don't impregnate women, however, angels can! The 'serpent' was simply one of the roles Satan was playing in the Garden.
Hence, even in the English rendering, the KJV, one can plainly see that Satan impregnated the woman before Adam first had sex with her. That offspring was Cain. By your own words, you are an "IDIOT".
*****
O.K. -- now that you are thoroughly put to shame on that one, what's next??
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realtruth101
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Ha ha ha CLEARLY! now if it is, so pathetically clear, why is it that all through Jewish history this story written first in Hebrew has never been translated into the one you have just decribed as being so blantantly clear that even an idiot would arrive at this same conclusion. I challenge you to take Genesis 3 and have anyone who has not been mentored (brainwashed) by Arnold and see if your interpretation is as cyrstal clear as you concieve it to be. I must say the longer you fellas stay under his instruction the more you start acting like him. arrogence is not one of the fruits of the spirit. Again if you can find one person who hasn't studied under Arnold, who reads into the account of Genesis 3 the story you have just laid out, I will publically post what an Idiot I am for not seeing how clear the plainly written word of God is
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