I know that it is six hundred sixty-six literally. I am speaking of the interpretation thereof.
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It is six hundred, sixty and six. The Greek verifies that. 6,6,6 would be "hex hex hex".
It is incorrect to intrepret a single number as 3 different numbers. Agreed?
One doesn't necessarily take any literal word, including a number, and allow it to drive the context of the interpretation. That is exactly what Postios is attempting to do. That is why I challenge his sincerity. For if one takes 666 literally for the interpretation, the burden of proof is to identify the 665 events prior to Satan's appearance.
The last hurdle would be to demonstrate that the three groupings of 7 events [seals, trumpets, and vials] are irrelevant to Rev. 13:18.
A. Literal vs symbolic does not mean CHANGING the text itself. That's exactly what someone does when they say 6,6,6. You're talking about the symbolic MEANING of six hundred sixty six vs. the litreal meaning. That's different.
B. Where in the heck are you getting "events prior to satan's appearance"??? I have never heard anyone say that is what it means to "count the number". Backwards thorough history to see the sons of Cain, ok. Ties to 1Kings 10:14, ok (Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents). But it is not a "countdown of events".
The vials are not the same as the seals and trumpets. See Rev. 15. The overcomers are already singing the song of Moses before the wrath of God is poured out. People have already accepted the mark of the beast when the 1st vial is poured out. In fact, the mark is necessary for the vials to be poured.
Before you assume anything, I am a post-tribber like you.
Well, you are completely in error.
I didn't change the text whatsoever
As I have written a few times in this topic, the key to understanding Rev. 13:18 is the word rendered as 'count'. The etymology of the word determines that one is to count events in time -- not anything else. Rev. 13:18 is informing us when, in the sequence of events, Satan appears on the scene.
The ones singing the song of Moses are those that have already died and passed the test of the flesh dispensation of time [made the first resurrection] prior to the endtime. It does not include all overcomers as the final group [those alive at Christ's return] do not join them until Christ's return at the 7th vial.
It would be a paradoxical position for one to claim that Rev. 15 includes all overcomers.
It is my understanding that post-tribbers are still rapturists in some form or another. I read once that they believe that they are raptured prior to God's dispensing either all or some of the vials of wrath. I am not a rapturist at all.
You are the one that said that PM was wrong and that it was 666 instead of 6,6,6.
again, for the umpteenth time, that is your claim, not mine.So, ever since, I am waiting for you to prove your sincerity by listing the 665 events that I should count prior to Satan's appearance or acknowledging your gross error.
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You love saying that don't you. Do you believe it has an effect? It doesn't.
Sir that's exactly what you did, changed it from chi-xi-stigma to hex hex hex. It's just not permissible as a Bible student to do that.
As counting as stones worn through over time,actually. That's tracing his family, not ticking off events. As a poster said once, you are in error.
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.
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And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
None of that is even possible until Satan is here as False Christ.
You don't have a correct understanding of post-tribbers then. You can't get any later than "post". We believe we are gathered to Christ when He returns - at the Last Trumpet.
actually I never said that I do not believe his interp. I said that i wanted proof.
how do you know WHEN the beast is in the bottomless pit.... why do you say the beast is there in John's day?
The beast in the bottomless is certainly going to be some-one who had been dead at the time of John, 1st century. Whether the beast is purely human is questionable. The beast may have been a Nephilim. When the Nephilim die, they become the disembodied spirits which were the demons.personally, i reject the notion that the beast is going to be some human person from the past.
Satan is eliminated because (1) he has never died (2) he is not in the bottomless pit.The most likely candidate is Satan himself.
he's an angel, as real as all angels in the bible.
his is cast down here, and his fate is detailed in at least the following:
Arthur Murray believes in modalism, not the trinity, which it appears as though you may be applying that same concept to Satan? Regardless, the six "was and is not" in Revelation 17:8 leaves no room for saying that phrase means currently "is" because John is not living in our times.5 roles of Satan as king have fallen by John's day, and still today....
the 6th, currently is (prince of the air/this world).
I answered this the first time you asked it. The store clerk does not have to detect physical evidence. The mark of the beast is not physical at all. If one is able to purchase anything at Walmart, it will be with the one-world currency, which everyone has except for God's elect.
The clerk doesn't have to read anyone's mind or detect anything. If one pays for anything, it will be with the Devil's currency. God's elect won't be able to buy or sell because they do not have any legal money to pay for anything [unless they trade for it].
You have been so confusing and evasive, I went to You Tube and listened through a long series of videos by Arnold Murray himself explaining his theory of the three ages. I think the carm man summed up Arnold Murray very accurately.You are wrong -- see above and all the other times that I answered the same questions.
The idea of "Devil's currency" is a theory , and opinion. The bible doesn't say that there will be one global currency. It is theory.
The requirement to have the mark, number of his name, or his name in the bible, Revelation 13, is not tied to the currently type.
Right now, as we speak, for example, you cannot go down to Sam's Club and spend your American dollars - without showing a membership card. It will be similar under the beast's economic system. The type of money doesn't matter. A person must be a member of the beast's economic system. Instead of a membership card being required to make purchases, individuals will have to have the mark, the beast's name, or the number of the beast.
You have been so confusing and evasive,
A person will not have any of the one-world [Devil's] currency unless one swears allegiance onto the beast. A person that does not swear allegiance cannot buy or sell simply because he/she will not have any money.
one swears allegiance to the beast by breaking God's commandments...........
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