Armageddon and gog and Magog are Different Battles over 1,000 years apart

[Just The Facts]

Hi Ikster

Does rev 20 say Gog and magog come after the 1,000 years or Not.

7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:

It really is a simple question either it says it is after the 1,000 years or it does not say it is after the 1,000 years .

WHAT DOES IT SAY.


HI Albertmc

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Read the book I suggested if you want to see the details. As for the symbolic interpretation, well books full of literal objects get interpreted literally - books full of symbols get interpreted symbolically.
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You are missing the point................You nor anyone else gets to decide what is and what is not a symbols nor do you get to decide what that symbol means.

You do not just go out ofthe Litteral at your own whim.........you must have scriptural direction. And If you do go out of the Litteral YOU MUST LET the BIBLE tell you what the symbol means.

Let me give you an example of what I mean

You tell me what these symbols mean in this verse.

11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

So the Symbols are

Beast

Lamb

Dragon

What do these symbols mean?

 

[exodus19]

good am,

though my post on theis thread my not be laced with verses, other posts have besides, all you guys do is look at only a few verses from the OT and try to tie up the vision of John, the mouth of the Holy Spirit, the hand of God.
i have 7 seals, books that are filled with the correlations and references , so before you decide i don't know much try believing my words, first, over 6000 hours of reading , day in and day out, consistently for years does not amount to nothing or not having anything.
your memories are short, and you appear to be impressed with repeating verses are writing them down, but if you were to be in public, would you stand there and quote verse after verse while trying to convince someone of God's Will, Word and Way.

Did Jesus do that?_________ANSWER THAT QUESTION FIRST.
did paul peter or any of the Holy Prophets/

so before you accuse me of being whimsical and not having knowledge, first accuse Jesus and the Prophets and see how far that gets you.

Jesus reapet all day long the Holy Prophets, did he say Moses Deut 8:3" man can not live by bread alone but by every Word of God..."

so get over it, i say as it is written in the book and whatever is written in the Word of the Holy Spirit.

i notice you don't brig up any points in my posts therefore, you like others just want to attack me outside of what i say, since what i say is all verified.
but when you post then offer opinion you have toi back it up with more verses and then you think "ah look how smart i am", this is ego getting in the way, you knbow nothing, and should think like that.

Jesus even said, " i know nothing except what the Lord has willed me to speak that i say and according to His Word, i live, therefore since i'm prophesied as the son and written into the Text, then i will do as He has directed me , therefore go get the donkey, over the hill"

aat anytime though all this is paraphrased, as Jesus did also paraphrase did he once quote the verse?______________no.

so if i come otherwise, should i sound like a parrot like you or naturally repeating what is in my heart, like the Holy Prophets?

you see , you're caught up in the traditions of phd men looking to always being like them to prove yourself.

The only thing you need is the love of God in your heart, not script , nor food, b/c in that day the Lord or Holy Spirit will speak for you.

Are those not the Words of Jesus, hence God,..... run and go find the verse if that makes you happy, and post i, ex19 don't back up my words with scripture.

who is listening to you? Does God not hear all?

Does it make you better that you put all the verses down.

where does it say that you will have to that in scripture.?

so above here someone has asked what do these symbols imply?

do you know from your heart, or do you have to go to find it in a book/

So if you were asked at the corner of main and 5th this question, would your reply be sorry i can't answer that, b/c i do not have my page open , or computor with me. or if i speak you won't believe me cause i do not know the exact reference for the question.

Don't be foolish, this in not Bible study is some church here or school class with open book session.

If you know the answer , you know and just speak, and back it up from your heart and soul which is the Holy Spirit should you be transparent and anointed.

hello__________________

my name is_________. let me see.___ have i got my birth cerificate on me to prove it, do you want a copy of it?

who are you border patrol? or ________

peace over,

 

[exodus19]

Hi Ikster

Does rev 20 say Gog and magog come after the 1,000 years or Not.

7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:

It really is a simple question either it says it is after the 1,000 years or it does not say it is after the 1,000 years .

WHAT DOES IT SAY.


HI Albertmc

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Read the book I suggested if you want to see the details. As for the symbolic interpretation, well books full of literal objects get interpreted literally - books full of symbols get interpreted symbolically.
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You are missing the point................You nor anyone else gets to decide what is and what is not a symbols nor do you get to decide what that symbol means.

You do not just go out ofthe Litteral at your own whim.........you must have scriptural direction. And If you do go out of the Litteral YOU MUST LET the BIBLE tell you what the symbol means.

Let me give you an example of what I mean

You tell me what these symbols mean in this verse.

11: And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

So the Symbols are

Beast

Lamb

Dragon

What do these symbols mean?

facts, your jumping too fast here,

you are saying that no one gets to decide what the symbols imply?

Does not the Holy Spirit decide? and furthermore if so does the Holy Spirit not reside within?

what did Jesus say to peter? do you need the verse or can you not find it?

so whether you may like it or not the symbols and figures of speech are revealled and through the flesh and blood of walking man as though it may seem hard for you to grasp, Jesus cam as did the Holy Prophets speaking by the mouth of the Holy spirit, need confirmation, there are several verses in the OT but try Jer 44:4 for one and remember that God said to Moses " go tell that "I AM" sent you. Who is the I AM? so fly by night hasbeen?

Now do you now what the noisome beasts are? google 'noisome beasts' there you will find your answer for the symbol of the beast.
the lamb implies in sheeps clothing and Dragon implies the fire of lust and greed which references the noisome beast type figure or character.

now where all that is in the Text, go find it. That's what the apostles would do sometimes after Jesus spoke.

It's good that you go look and see for your self it keeps you in the Word, however, when the Word is in your heart you will just say what the symbols imply and depending upon the flow of the conversation, you will add lib who all this is and what's going on.

now again i will repeat, all this stuff you are talking about and most all threads in this section of eschatology cannot be confirmed but by the son, or messiah, or comforter.

do yo believe that? or does that too remain illusory, first Jesus , first raised from the dead, as in rev 3:21 ' i too had to overcome", that is the unique verse which confirms his appearence as a 'thief in the night', as well as other verses in the OT, go there and read. especially the psalms wherein David is consistently revealing his future and return.

you hang onto theries that former souls never return due to your lack of good understanding and denial of the ressurrection of the soul into another being or body when that was the only the idea of the saducees who were basically literalist and atheists, when in fact the presiding jews, pharisees all believed in the next life and former lives of the seed, the plants and the offspring of the root as it dies it returns again, and should you not be right with God , you will be cast into outer darkness, tossed and turned as in uprooted and thrown into varying wombs and living in varying deserts ie countries where in there is not gods, or idolatry.

need references, try correlating jesus's words from matt 12:43, 44, 45 that are paraphrased verses from the OT.

it's not Jesus saying as jeremiah said verse 11-11111 or ezekiel, verse 23 .

try hearing Jesus as Jesus was filled in the Holy Spirit with the OT Words.

the olivet discourse had NOTHING NEW, NOTHING , HEAR THAT """"NOTHING"""" Facts, that wasn't previosusly written in the OT.

did Jesus quote all the verses,______funny isn't it if he did the christian world may be teaching in a different kind of manner wouldn't they.

perhpaps the focus would go back to where it belongs that's right ___DAVID__ the central figure of the Bible and the anointed PRINCE OF PEACE,

and what did Jesus say ____rev 3:9 "the key is David'

DON'F FORGET IT.

"peace be within" from pslams ?????????????i don't recal the verse.

what did jesus say??????? go figure there guy

i still love you no matter what

and this post just gives the Holy Spirit opportunity to address you.

feel blessed as i do that He speaks to me too.

He doesn't love me anymore than you , my brother, but nontheless He does speak through the good sons.

be one.

 

[Just The Facts]

[font=&quot]Hi Exodus

No I am saying ONLY the Holy Spirit........which is THE WORD...........gets to say what these symbols mean.....Not You or I or any other person.




Hi Luke950

I think that it does not directly tie in but it for sure is part of the plan. It is too much to get into in this thread but one has to understand that each nation has a fallen Angel as its head prince. Except Israel which is the Lord portion. Examples of this are in scripture Daniel 10 is a good example of this. [/font]

 

[ikester]

JFT Quote...
Hi Ikster

Does rev 20 say Gog and magog come after the 1,000 years or Not.

7: And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8: And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:

It really is a simple question either it says it is after the 1,000 years or it does not say it is after the 1,000 years .....Unquote

John says....satan shall be loosed out of his prison and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. gog and magog to gather them together to battle....

here we have the whole earth....including gog/magog...not just gog/magog..

next they compass the camp and saints about and the beloved city...watch this...fire comes down from God and devoured them.....no great supper for the fowl...no 1/6th remaining.....they've been devoured by fire...

and how can the house of Israel go thru armageddon and the millennium reign and not know the Lord their God.....

Ezekiel 38 & 39....will be the campaign that leads right into Armageddon..

 

[MbiaJc]

Hi albertmc

Well I do not see rev as written in order.

1-5 ////Introduction

6 ////the Whole Course of events from Jesus on Earth to his second Coming.

7-11 //// the Great Tribulation/wrath Heavenly view

12 Recap of Jesus birth to the Destruction of Jerusalem

13 //// Description of Rome and the formation of a false kingdom of God.

14 -16////////Great Tribulation/Wrath Earthly view

17 - 18//////////In depth on the harlot and the kingdoms she rules…… her destruction……………… which happens during the great Tribulation/Wrath or during chapter 7-11 and 14-16.

19-20 //// Defeat of the beast from the pit the capture of the Devil......................the reading of the book of life.......which is the First Resurrection and Saints ruling from Holy Jerusalem for 1,000 years..............on to Gog and Magog and the reading of the book of Works.

21 and Part of 22//////////The description of the city of the Saints that arrives at the first resurrection and is on Earth during the 1,000 years.

Rest of 22//////////////////// Closing.

However I also do not see chapter 12 and 20 as the Same thing............they are clearly different

Chapter 12 is a recap of events from Jesus birth to the destruction of Jerusalem. It has no mention of Gog and magog or of the Devil being bound. there is no resurrection of the saints in chapter 12 either. The chapters are sooooooo dissimilar I can't see how anyone could seem them as the same.

Read all the post before you jump to conclusions.
If you consider Rev. in order, then you would haft to agree that The battle of Gog is before the New Heaven and Earth and New Jerousalem? Also the only ones raised at the first resurrection to rule with Jesus are the beheaded ones? Also the 1000yr reign is before the New heaven, earth and New Jerousalem?
Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

21 and Part of 22//////////The description of the city of the Saints that arrives at the first resurrection and is on Earth during the 1,000 years.

No this is not about the saints of the first resurrection, it is after the second resurrection, and the Great White Throne Judjment. This is about all saints of all times, living in that city Aberham and they have been looking for, and all find it at the same time. And we will be with the Lord forever.

 

[MbiaJc]

Ezekiel 38 & 39....will be the campaign that leads right into Armageddon..

No! Ezdkiel 38 & 39 are describing the battle of Gog and Maygog. Armageddon happened 1000yr prior to this.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi ikster

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John says....satan shall be loosed out of his prison and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. gog and magog to gather them together to battle....

here we have the whole earth....including gog/magog...not just gog/magog..

next they compass the camp and saints about and the beloved city...watch this...fire comes down from God and devoured them.....no great supper for the fowl...no 1/6th remaining.....they've been devoured by fire...

and how can the house of Israel go thru armageddon and the millennium reign and not know the Lord their God.....

Ezekiel 38 & 39....will be the campaign that leads right into Armageddon..
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You are avoiding the Question..........................Does it say AFTER THE 1,000 years.

Now as for your point about Israel knowing their God.

It says from this day forward.....................What Day is it talking about............is it not judgement day.

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi

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Read all the post before you jump to conclusions.
If you consider Rev. in order, then you would haft to agree that The battle of Gog is before the New Heaven and Earth and New Jerousalem? Also the only ones raised at the first resurrection to rule with Jesus are the beheaded ones? Also the 1000yr reign is before the New heaven, earth and New Jerousalem?
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I Do NOT see Rev as in order. I see it jumping back and forth.

Does this Happen before the 1,000 years

2: And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.3: And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4: And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5: And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6: And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7: The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8: And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;9: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.10: And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;11: And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.12: And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

 

[ikester]

Hi ikster

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John says....satan shall be loosed out of his prison and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth. gog and magog to gather them together to battle....

here we have the whole earth....including gog/magog...not just gog/magog..

next they compass the camp and saints about and the beloved city...watch this...fire comes down from God and devoured them.....no great supper for the fowl...no 1/6th remaining.....they've been devoured by fire...

and how can the house of Israel go thru armageddon and the millennium reign and not know the Lord their God.....

Ezekiel 38 & 39....will be the campaign that leads right into Armageddon..
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You are avoiding the Question..........................Does it say AFTER THE 1,000 years.

Now as for your point about Israel knowing their God.

It says from this day forward.....................What Day is it talking about............is it not judgement day.

JTF you are avoiding the points made in scripture....yes John mentions gog/magog after the 1000 yrs...so what...I made my comments on the points to that regard....

 

[ikester]

JFT...your other point about Israel on judgement day....Israel will have to believe before the physical appearence of Christ.....they don't get a free pass.....

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Ikster

The very minute The Jews call on Jesus name he will appear. It will be that day .......................Not many days after.

When they call on Jesus name he will appear with the armies of heaven which are the resurrected saints Capture the Beast destroy the armies of the World.

This is the morning light of Judgement day......................then for 1,000 years will the saints rule from Holy Jerusalem............at the end of the 1,000 years the devil will be let out of the pit deceive Gog and magog they will surround Holy Jerusalem and fire will come down from heaven and destroy them as detailed in Ez 38 & 39. then the book of Works will be open and the rest of the dead are judged...................that is noon day judgment.

It all happens on one day Judgement day. So from Judgment day will Israel know their God.

In addition the House of Israel already knows their God...............it is only the house of Judah that still is in denial.

 

[exodus19]

gog magog are simply symbolic of the world outside, or the characteristic of evil cultures.

it;s not going to be a battle in a little town somewhere called gog, which only proves again that literalism while wind up like a spinning top and just spin heads around.

you guys are like jacks in a box, popping up all these theories and ideas like madmen, but it goes on all over the world all the time, like a symphony of confusion something like some noisy sounding hip hop crap, that otherwise wails out some ills and expressions of lewdness all the while in the guise of entertainment but yet implanting ideas of evil kings and liberal perverted con man statutes that open the avenues of freedoms to be sick and perverted on tv and the radio but go figure you can't repeat half the junk they say in public or else you be considered a womanizer or a debauched pervert or sometning like that.

my those mediums sure have their freedoms. Who are all those behind the scene guys allowing this perversion to go on.?+_______ you , your neighbour or those living in million dollar estates in suburbia, that lobby the rules committees to the freedoms of the arts?

Gog and Magog houses sodom and gamorrah, and sodomy and ganmorrah has just planted their roots so firm in the ground of western cultures and of course Folly wood loves sodomy it gives them new curves and holes to exploit.

oh the wonders of Gog an Magog and Sodom and gammy?

Will you see saintly people there?

or will the saintly be plucked from there?

oh those days of Sodom and gamorrah in the lands of Gog and Magog.

huh, when will you hear the call to order??????????

 

[Just The Facts]

Hi Exodus

Gog and Magog are not symbolic .............that is your doctrine and it is wrong

: Son of man, set thy face against Gog, the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3: And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal: 4: And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth, and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 5: Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet: 6: Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah of the north quarters, and all his bands: and many people with thee.

We are told in very plain language what geographical area these people are from.

So we Have Magog Tubal and Meshech which is Modern Turkey

We Have Persia which is modern Day Iran Afganistan and Pakistan including all the other Stans like Uzbekistan.

And We have from Africa Ethiopia, and Libya

And finally we have

Gomer, and all his bands; the house of Togarmah This is Modern day Chetchnia the whole area of the Caucasus's

It is not symbolic it is very clearly defined.

Why people insist on spirtualising the plain words of God is beyond me.

Follow THE LAMB...............THE WORD and you may just yet see the Truth of prophecy.

 

[exodus19]

sorry when you start drawing lines of countries trying to apply the lands literally you fall into varying speculations as you here have done.
there is symbolism in the OT and it is carried into the new age, with understanding.
many other names and expressions of places also concur with the latter days.

you are thinking that names are revelent when eve th son of man's named is only know buy he himself as written in Rev 19:12,13 therefore you err in your own thinking that he is something, or someone different. You want miracle gods and signs that are supernatural, but you cannot even begin to understand basic Spirit awarenss.
these are troubling times for many who are doubtful wanting something other than what is before them.
jesus was in flesh a human body yet few saw him as anything other than man, yet today millions cling to a messiah who is " crucified afresh on the cross daily" perpetrating the entire sin life to go on in his name thinking other than what is req'd and written. the Word is God and the word cannot be changed and unless you hear and change your ways as those who are patient and live according to the laws of God , Moses as referenced in ch 14:12, then yoiu are not hearing correctly.

right?????????????????????

or do you have another plan or idea, or have you another angel of twisting the prophecy to permit sin in the kingdom.

just like you want to put forth all these places of referece up here and expect that all these places and kings will suddenly manifest and there will prophecy word for word.

you are speaking in a twisted way and will not ever happen b/c the Bible is not to be read like that.
so pooh pooh to all that. lol

try again.

 

[exodus19]

just the facts
consider Jeremiah 31:38,9 40____consider all this when you look at towns and lines drawn from one coast to the brook of kidron, the horse gate etc, etc.

go back up to 33 " i write the law in their inward parts andwrite in their hearts and...."

you have to hear the Bible in it's relative form in which the characteristics, or figures of speech are what's relative to then and now.

note 33 appears elsewhere even the new testament but Jesus nor Paul said jer 33:33.

when you read everday for four or five hours , things start coming at you that repeat and reapeat and you can correlate the understanding

you are still trying to place places in a literal way into today,

ain't gonna work,

that's why i repeat it will take time in a room with books open to see it all and so you can take in the truth and not be lost unto speculations.

peace, bye for now

 

[bertie]

Are there any particular books that you reccommend besides the KJV?
What have YOU been studying?Any thing that has not been reccomended previously?
No matter how one interprets the bible,it remains fairly certain that these are the last days,though not the day of the Lord as yet.
I just had a JW friend here in the store(he comes with the watchtower every month for me.)He believes that Jesus began to reign in 1914,and the end times prophecy began with ww1.He claims that it is Christ who has taken control of the world since that date.(that Jesus now sits in heaven as the practical ruler of this earth.)
Move over satan,the real boss is here...

 

[exodus19]

those jw boys think they are the body of jesus , they do not see a jesus as a person coming as the Text says,
so what!!!!! they also think the soul, is the body. fat chance for that to be true.

i went to a the JW kingdom hall for two months twice a week. Though they may be quite moral they are very cultish and very indifferent to what is.
i put in over 100 hours of reading and following the concordance notes in their world Bible. I found they often go way off from the actual orginal intent of the verse. It's not too hard to see their efforts are not accurate.

In one 2-4 hour sitting and they will have had their day in court. lolol.

i don't recommend anything outside the KJV Bible, the best companion is a good Webster's Dictionary.
These past couple of weeks i've been putting in 2-3 hours per day of reading the Bible and noting many good points. Just reminding myself of what i read and learned before that remains consistent and never changes.

all one needs is, faith, love and a companion KJV Bible.
and with repentence and prayer one can learn to live in God.

but don't forget, Jesus, he too is the essential and approved doorkeeper.

 

[MbiaJc]

Hi

Does this Happen before the 1,000 years

2: And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.3: And another angel came and stood at the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given unto him much incense, that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne. 4: And the smoke of the incense, which came with the prayers of the saints, ascended up before God out of the angel's hand. 5: And the angel took the censer, and filled it with fire of the altar, and cast it into the earth: and there were voices, and thunderings, and lightnings, and an earthquake. 6: And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound. 7: The first angel sounded, and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood, and they were cast upon the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all green grass was burnt up. 8: And the second angel sounded, and as it were a great mountain burning with fire was cast into the sea: and the third part of the sea became blood;9: And the third part of the creatures which were in the sea, and had life, died; and the third part of the ships were destroyed.10: And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;11: And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.12: And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.

I consider Rev. basically in order. And yes the above I think happens before the 1000yr Reign. Also the fifth trumpet, for that is when the ac comes out of the botomless pit.

 

[GraceInHim]

Just throw something in here.. Jesus said to the some of the Jews when they did not believe in him, (he actually knew they would not anyway) that their Father was a Murderer from the beginning and the Father of Liars

ok Jump to Genesis, Cain was the first to murder.. (from the beginning)

now jump to Revelation, the Beast makes those to have a mark on thier forehead

jump back to Genesis, God marks Cain on the forehead after he kills Able..

look at things which relate together before making any assumptions... clearly Jesus was talking about Cain.. and the Bible goes from beginning to end and in a circle.. those who will be last will be first. do you understand how this goes in a circle.. nothing is planned in a straight forward way.. we need to look back because in the end it will be like the beginning again.. this time there just will be no sin or the Devil to tempt us in the new garden.

peace to all