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Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Oct 28, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother sparrow, thanks for yout thoughts. I do not assume that I am born again in the Spirit and no longer have a sinful nature to deal with. If that was the case there would be no temptation. So I am not in the category you are talking about. What do you think MATTHEW 5 is talking about and what do you think MATTHEW 5:20-22; 31-32 is talking about and how do you think this relates to ISAIAH 42:21, the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12 and what JESUS and JOHN are saying in *JOHN 3:3-7 and 1 JOHN 3:3-10?

    Thanks for your thoughts.
     
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  2. LoveGodsWord

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    @sparow Happy to talk about the above more if you like but also wanted to share the scriptures on what makes up the OLD COVENANT. Many are confused here and do not know how the OLD relates to the NEW.

    THE OLD COVENANT.

    If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT points to? Many mix up God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 with the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7; HEBREWS 10:1-12.

    Here let's clarify what makes up the OLD COVENANT as shown in God's WORD.

    The OLD COVENANT was made up of God's 10 Commandments *DEUTERONOMY 4:13 and the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's 10 Commandments were spoken *EXODUS 20:1-19 and written by GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16 and the book of the Covenant was written *DEUTERONOMY 31:24 and spoken by MOSES *EXODUS 24:4-7 alone (under God's guidence).

    TOGETHER both God's eternal law (10 commadments) written on stone and the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant are the OLD COVENANT. They were both SEPARATED and housed in the ARK OF THE COVENANT. God's LAW was placed inside the ARK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 10:5 while the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT was placed in the side of the ARK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:26

    DEUTERONOMY 10:5 [5] And I turned myself and came down from the mount, and put the tables in the ark which I had made; and there they are, as the LORD commanded me.

    Yep there is the 10 Commandments housed in the ARK of the COVENANT.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

    EXODUS 24:7 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    So in summary here it is both the God's eternal law (10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of sin and the shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant that made up the OLD COVENANT.

    The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT. We no longer do animal sacrifices and the shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW are fulfilled in Christ and his mimistration as our great sacrifice and high Priest who ministers on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary made without hande.

    You mix up the shadow laws from that MOSAIC book of the covenant *EXODUS 24:7 brother with God's eternal law that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172 that show us we are all sinners and lead us to Christ that we might be forgiven by faith *GALATIANS 3:22-25 to be free from our sins to walk in his Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16.

    SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

    The NEW COVENANT is not the same as the OLD COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12, we no longer need to follow the Shadow LAWS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT that all pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

    Back to HEBREWS 8. The NEW COVENANT is not like the OLD COVENANT brother all the Shadow laws from the MOAIC BOOK that pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT are fulfilled in the NEW. The OLD has passed away. No more animal sacrifices and sin offerings, new Prieshood with JESUS as our great sacrifice and Great high priest ministering on our behalf in the heavenly sanctuary made without hands.

    God's LAW written on stone leads us to Christ that we might be forgiven by Faith and free to walk in his Spirit *GALATIANS 3:22-25; GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4. Faith the works by LOVE fulfills the NEW COVENANT promise of HEBREWS 8:10-12 of God's LAW written on the heart through LOVE *ROMANS 13:8-10.

    Yep the OLD COVENANT is not like the NEW *HEBREWS 8:8-9. No more shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 pointing to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

    More scriptures on God's eternal law and the Shadow laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT being the OLD COVENANT?

    THE OLD COVENANT

    EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

    and what you have left out ...

    EXODUS 24 [7] And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the hearing of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] TAKE THIS BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the side of the ark of the COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.

    DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21] And the LORD shall separate him unto evil out of all the tribes of Israel, ACCORDING TO ALL THE CURSES OF THE COVENANT that are WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW.

    EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 29 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

    2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 KINGS 23 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

    2 KINGS 23 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

    2 CHRONICLES 34:30 [30], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah, and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the priests, and the Levites, and all the people, great and small: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT that was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 CHRONICLES 34:32 [31] And the king stood in his place, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments, and his testimonies, and his statutes, with all his heart, and with all his soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THE COVENANT WHICH ARE WRITTEN IN THE BOOK.

    yep its not just the 10 Commandments...

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    HEBREWS 9:1 [1] Then verily THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10] WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12] NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    EPHESIANS 2:15 [15] HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby

    EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual ORDINANCE unto the LORD.

    NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:

    HEBREWS 10:1 [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.

    What laws are written on the heart in the NEW COVENANT promise? It is not the MOSAIC laws for remission of sin...

    JEREMIAH 31:31-34 [31], Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:[32], NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt ; MY COVENANT WHICH THEY BROKE, although I was a husband unto them, says the LORD:[33], But THIS SHALL BE MY COVENANT THAT I SHALL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISREAL; After those days, says the LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR INWARD PARTS, AND I WILL WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE; [34], And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    2 CORINTHIANS 3:2 [2], You are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: [3], Since you are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, WRITTEN NOT WITH INK, BUT WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD; NOT IN TABLES OF STONE, BUT IN THE FLESHLY TABLES OF THE HEART. (see all of 2 COR 3)

    The NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart to LOVE through faith (ROMANS 13:8-10)

    ……………………………

    CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE

    Yep it is the SHADOW laws that are fulfilled in Christ. The OLD COVENANT is made up of God's 10 Commandments and the Shadow laws in ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT.


    What are your thoughts?
     
  3. sparow

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    Mat 5:20-22; verse 20 while a statement of fact, is incommensurable; the Pharisees are not a bench mark. Verse 21 refers to unlawful killing; the Law is not changed; although the new priesthood is not authorised to execute but Jesus is. Verse 22, anger "without cause" is the key and verse 23, reconciliation is required.

    Isaiah 42:21, I believe Jesus it the magnification of the Law.

    John 3:3-7, by the answer Nicodemus' question was more complex than stated; the answer was a parable which confused, as intended. Verse 13, because we cannot see it faith is required regarding the Spiritual Realm.

    1 john 3:3-10, Jesus' history; out of heaven, through the fire and back into heaven; having experienced first hand, humanity, which He is to judge. Does this mean we also have come from heaven, to pass through the fire to face judgement; these scriptures say one has to first come from heaven in order to go there.
     
  4. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi brother sparow, thanks for your thoughts here. Some comments for your consideration provided below.
    Indeed. It is interesting because on the OUTSIDE the Scribes and Pharisees as JESUS taught appeared righteous to men. Outwardly blameless in regards to following God's 10 commandments but INWARDLY JESUS says they were full of SIN (breaking God's LAW) *MATTHEW 23:27-28. JESUS says; For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven *MATTHEW 5:20. The scripture in ISAIAH 42:21 was posted to show that JESUS came to teach the true meaning of God's LAW and that is it is to be applied to the ISIDE OUT not for OUT SIDE IN appearance to appear rightouess to men but inwardly full of SIN. God reads the HEART and KNOWS we are all sick with SIN *MATTHEW 15:19-20; MATTHEW 12:34-35; JEREMIAH 13:23; JEREMIAH 17:9-10; MATTHEW 15:19-20; JOHN 5:42 and in need of a Savior from SIN. Many do not know the meaning here MATTHEW 9:12-13.

    This is leading to the NEW COVENANT PROMISE of a NEW HEART to LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 5:42; 1 JOHN 5:17-19; 1 JOHN 4:16; 1 JOHN 5:3; 1 JOHN 4:8.

    We do not have the LOVE of GOD in us *JOHN 5:42. We need to be BORN OF GOD to LOVE *1 JOHN 4:7 and partake of the NEW COVENANT promise. This is why JESUS teaches in *JOHN 3:3-7 that UNLESS we are made CLEAN from the INSIDE OUT and BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. This is what JESUS is talking about in MATTHEW 5:20 when discussing the Scribes and the Pharisees teaching the application of God's LAW from the INSIDE OUT. Whosoever is BORN of GOD to LOVE in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12 does not commit SIN *1 JOHN 3:9; ROMANS 13:8-10; JAMES 2:8-12; ROMANS 3:31; MATTHEW 22:36-40. This is the GOOD NEWS of the Gospels in the NEW COVENANT we have a SAVIOUR to save us from sin (not in sin) but we have to be made new to walk in God's Spirit *GALATIANS 5:16; ROMANS 8:1-4.

    1 JOHN 3:3-10 is talking about all those who are BORN AGAIN to LOVE and it is LOVE that fulfills God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. This results in a people that keep God's LAW (10 commandments) from the INSIDE OUT. *REVELATION 14:12; REVELATION 22:14; 1 JOHN 2:3-4; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; ROMANS 13:8-10; ROMANS 3:31; HEBREWS 8:10-12.

    May God help you as you seek him through his WORD. Unless we are BORN AGAIN to LOVE we cannot enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. He that has ears let him hear the Spirit of the WORD.

    God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word)
     
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    I have to disagree. You are doing the dispensationalist thing again; what Christ fulfilled was prophesies concerning himself as well as covenantal requirements, like shedding His blood for the remission of sin.

    The Ten Commandments are the Law and the Covenant. Yet the ten are concise such that much is assumed or omitted. The ten do not mention the shedding of blood for the remission of sin, among other things.

    Revelation 13:8 (NKJV)
    8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Since the foundation all the lambs sacrificed were surrogates for Christ; except when they were disallowed because of insincerity, and sometimes gifts to God.

    The old covenant is the embryo and the new covenant is the baby; the Law was mainly for the purpose of Government; the Levis were the public servants; even the Pagan religions were systems of government.

    The creation of the kingdom of God is a single event; the first two thousand years is state one, the old covenant, two thousand years aprox., is stage two, the new covenant stage three, the kingdom of God, the new heavens and the new earth stage four. When you divided the Law into two parts I believe you are confusing the covenant with it's training wheels.

    The covenant can be divided int two parts; God's part or responsibilities and man's responsibilities. God doesn't directly elaborate on His part; man's part can be divided into two parts; keeping the commandments and having a relationship with God; one part without the other doesn't work, now or before.

    “(10 Commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of sin, and indirectly righteousness.” But righteousness is not simply not sinning, the righteousness required is being obedient to the God of Israel, the God identified by the fourth commandment. If one is obedient to another God or mediator, like the RCC, then that righteousness is not counted by the God of Israel; this is when righteousness is dirty rags.
     
  7. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother sparow some comments for your consideration below.
    You have to disagree with what? (why do you disagree from scripture please). Please forgive me as I prayerfully study God's WORD for myself and do not know what a dispensationalist is. Can you tell me what this means?
    Indeed :oldthumbsup:
    Actually the 10 Commandments are only one part of the law and the Covenant. God's eternal law is the 10 Commandments their purpose is to give us the knowledge of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS in both the OLD and NEW COVENANTS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. The other part of part of the OLD COVENANT is the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7 that held the SHADOW laws and the prophets that all pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. (e.g the earthly Sanctuary service and priesthood, sin offerings, annual festivals). Detailed scriptures given in post # 542 linked that you have not responded to.
    Indeed :oldthumbsup: This is revealed in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT as shown earlier *EXODUS 24:7. These are all a part of the SHADOW laws from the BOOK of the law that was kept together but separately in the ARK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26.
    Indeed :oldthumbsup: This is made clear in the written word from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. Before the written Word was the spoken Word of God given by God to his people and handed down from generation to generation.
    A Government is a group of people with the authority to govern a country or state; a particular ministry in office. These laws are civil laws in general as outlined in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. God's LAW (10 Commandments) which was spoken and written by God alone *EXODUS 32:16 however are MORAL laws which outline an individuals duty of LOVE to GOD and their fellow man *DEUTERONOMY 6:5; LEVITICUS 19:18; EXODUS 20:1-17.
    This is not biblical as it was God that separated his LAW (10 Commandments) from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law which were also kept separately in the ARK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 10:4-5; DEUTERONOMY 31:26
    Can we keep God's Commandments? This is why we need to be BORN AGAIN. You seem to be confused in this area brother. MATTHEW 5 is worth a read as is JOHN 3:3-7, 1 JOHN 2:3-4 and 1 JOHN 3:3-10 resulting in REVELATION 14:12.
    Kind of a confusing statement this one you made. I tried reading it a few times. I think I know generally what you are getting at and agree but will say. RIGHTEOUSNESS according to God's WORD is from the INSIDE OUT *MATTHEW 5:17-32. This is the NEW COVENANT promise found in *HEBREWS 8:10-12. SIN is also disobedience to God's WORD and not following God or BELIEVING God *ROMANS 14:23; JAMES 2:10-11.

    I think overall however we generally agree on many things. Although brother it is true we cannot keep God's LAW (10 Commandments) because all we can do without JESUS is SIN which is shown clearly in *ROMANS 2; ROMANS 3; ROMANS 6 and ROMANS 7. We need to be BORN AGAIN to enter into God's NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10 in order not to SIN from the INSIDE OUT *1 JOHN 3:3-10. Unless we are BORN AGAIN we cannot even see the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. JESUS says unless our RIGHTOUESNESS exceeds the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we will not enter into Gods KINGDOM so outward obedience does not matter with God who knows the heart that is desparately wicked. God changes the heart to LOVE and OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW is from the INSIDE OUT by the operation of God by FAITH in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Salvation is from sin (breaking God's LAW), not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36. All those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's LAW) will die *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    God bless.
     
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    Men divide things differently to God. I do not disagree with scripture, I disagree with your handling of the scriptures. I do not know a lot about Dispensationalism either. My knowledge is from observing them that I have encountered. I used “dispensationalist” metaphorically not realising you wouldn't know what I was talking about. In this case I was referring to your jargonising and literalising words. My first encounter with Dispensationalism was in a small book of refutation written a few years before I was born. The book never defined Dispensationalism but mentioned it had 68 Gospels and concluded that Dispensationalism requires a new gospel, a new kingdom and a new Bible.

    When one sees Dispensationalists define Dispensationalism one could say “how sweet it is”. A dispensation is a segment of time, so they divide scripture up into time segments; the problem comes when each segment is stuffed with false teaching. One aspect of Dispensationalism is the manner of literal-ism where they say the words mean such and such instead of saying the author means such and such; the meaning of an author isn't contained in a single word.

    And this reflects on the larger use of scripture; as soon a a finite meaning is assigned to a verse the scriptures are no longer living; the endless stream of nutrient ceases.


    There is hardly a Christian sect today that hasn't absorbed some aspect of Dispensational teaching.

    The Ten Commandments are the Law and in as far as this is true all other Law is the expansion and application of the ten; there are other Laws, like the eternal Law of circumcision and the Ordinances. .

    KNOWLEDGE of sin and righteousness is about 0.0001% of the purpose of the Law; the rest of the purpose of the Law is to be righteous; having the Law written on ones mind and heart, whether OT or NT is that the law is apart of one's person such that should the person sneeze it would be in the context of the Law; the Law being as much a part of the person as is his nose and personal psychology.

    Having the Law written on ones heart doesn't mean we cannot sin it means we are with out excuse.

    What God gave Israel was a system of Government, not a Pagan religion; a type of the kingdom of God.

    How does one keep the Law; does one simply not do ten things, or does one live his life positively walking with God.
     
  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother sparow nice to see you again. Sounds like you disagree but are not able to show why you disagree from God's WORD. I have not jargonized anything brother excpept to simply post God's WORD. It is God's WORD not mine and I BELIEVE it.

    You are simply stating your own WORDS here in opposition to God's WORD. To me this is jargonizing God's WORD as you are not showing how the scriptures provided are in error. Only God's WORD is true brother and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29.

    UNLESS our rightouesness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and the Pharisees and we are BORN AGAIN we cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN because we reject the gift of God's dear son *MATTHEW 5:20; 1 JOHN 3:3-10; JOHN 3:3-7; ROMANS 6:23.

    RIGHTOEUSNESS does not come without JESUS and the need to be saved from our sinful nature. That is why JESUS in MATTHEW 5 teaches RIGHTOUESNESS needs to be from the INSIDE OUT. This is God's WORD in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD and is the NEW COVENANT promise *MATTHEW 9:12-13; HEBREWS 8:10-12.

    May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.
     
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    We use the scriptures differently. You think ink on paper is God's word, I do not. God's word is spirit and deriving a spiritual understanding cannot be learnt at school.


    Why do you quote Hebrews 8:10-12; Hebrews which is a discourse from an argument someone is having, whereas Hebrews quoted these verses from Jeremiah who received it directly from God, and these verses are in the context of the whole revelation God gave Jeremiah; Hebrews has the context, "it wasn't the Jews fault, the Law failed"; which is different to the context of Jeremiah, where in Israel failed not the Law.
     
  11. LoveGodsWord

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    Hmm you are making things up as you go now and sadly judging me. God is my guide and my teacher *JOHN 14:26; JOHN 16:13; JOHN 7:17; JOHN 8:31-36 according to the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:11 and I believe and FOLLOW God's WORD as he reveals it to me. You are providing your own words brother which are not God's Word.

    God bless.
     
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    JEREMIAH 31:31-34 quoted by PAUL in HEBREWS 8:7-12 is the NEW COVEANT to God's ISRAEL. The NEW COVENANT promise is God's WORD to God's ISRAEL who the WORD of GOD says are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not BORN AGAIN to LOVE under the NEW COVENANT you cannot enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 8:10; ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:9; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

    God bless.
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

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    We need to be BORN AGAIN to enter into God's NEW COVENANT promise of LOVE *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10 in order not to SIN from the INSIDE OUT *1 JOHN 3:3-10. Unless we are BORN AGAIN we cannot even see the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *JOHN 3:3-7. JESUS says unless our RIGHTOUESNESS exceeds the RIGHTOUESNESS of the Scribes and Pharisees we will not enter into Gods KINGDOM so outward obedience does not matter with God who knows the heart that is desparately wicked. God changes the heart to LOVE and OBEDIENCE to GOD'S LAW is from the INSIDE OUT by the operation of God by FAITH in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Salvation is from sin (breaking God's LAW), not to continue in it *JOHN 8:31-36. All those who continue in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN (breaking God's LAW) will die *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    God bless.
     
  14. SkyWriting

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    If you follow the law but break only one, you are guilty of the whole law.
    (Like spelling errors ruin the entire word)

    And God's word says to obey the government
    becasue it is God's will.

    1 Peter 2:13-17
    Titus 3:1
    1 Timothy 2:1-3
    Psalms 22:28
    Daniel 2:20-21
    Romans 13:7
    1 Timothy 2:1-2
    Deuteronomy 16:18-20
    Revelation 1:5
    Romans 13:4
    Proverbs 21:1
    John 19:11
    Mark 3:24
    Proverbs 29:2
    Proverbs 8:15
    Psalms 94:20
    Deuteronomy 28:1-68
    Daniel 2:21
    John 19:10-11
     
  15. LoveGodsWord

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    So if the Government says to disobey God you would follow the Government over God's WORD would you? That is not what Peter and others would do ACTS 5:29. Daniel and his friends did not obey the Government when the Government of the day told Daniel to bow down and worship the golden statue of man the same as Daniel did not obey the Government of the day when he was told not to pray to anyone except the king. Fiery furnace or den of lions was the punishment. Who was right, the Government of the day of those following God's WORD? We should always obey the laws of the Government except when they lead us to disobey the WORD of GOD. Then we should obey God rather then man *ACTS 5:29
     
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  16. ToBeLoved

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    What are you claiming the mosaic book of the Covenant is?

    I am confused.
     
  17. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother ToBeLoved, good question. This is in reference to the SHADOW laws that MOSES wrote in the BOOK of the OLD COVENANT (see EXODUS 24:7) as opposed to God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.

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  18. ToBeLoved

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    I’m not seeing the evidence for this shadow law you speak of.

    God gave the Israelites much more than the 10 Commandments. All that God gave them through Moses was the Old Covenant.

    Maybe if you are clearer in what you mean by shadow law I would understand. And the eternal law.

    I’m not understanding the basic premise you are making here
     
  19. LoveGodsWord

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    You can read about the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law written by MOSES as directed by GOD from the OLD COVENANT as shown in *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures in HEBREWS 7; HEBREWS 8; HEBREWS 9 and HEBREWS 10 and COLOSSIANS 2 and EPHESIANS 2.

    These are not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures tell us that give us the KNOWLEDGE SIN when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4. In the NEW TESTAMENT God's WORD says that if we KNOWINGLY break any one of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 8:10-12 because they reject the GIFT of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

    In the BORN AGAIN believer God's LAW is written in the heart to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling and establishing of God's LAW in all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD; not the breaking of it *ROMANS 13:8-10; 1 JOHN 3:3-9; ROMANS 3:31; 1 JOHN 2:3-4.

    The SHADOWS laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law written by MOSES as directed by GOD from the OLD COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7; DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 are fullfilled in JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW...

    HEBREWS 10:1-19
    [1] For THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
    [2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins.
    [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year [Day of Atonement] *Leviticus 23:27-32.
    [4] For IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.
    [5], Therefore when he comes into the world, he says, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS YOU DESIRED NOT, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME:
    [6], In BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN you have had no pleasure.
    [7], Then said I, Lo, I COME IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITEN OF ME, to do your will, O God.

    .............

    NOTE:
    What are the Shadow laws of the OLD COVENANT? IT is those from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT v7 is a reference to...

    EXODUS 24:7 [7], And he took the BOOK OF THE COVENANT, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD has said will we do, and be obedient.

    DEUTERONOMY 29:21 [21], And the LORD shall separate him to evil out of all the tribes of Israel, according to all the curses of the COVENANT THAT ARE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK OF THE LAW.

    DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26], Take this BOOK OF THE LAW, and put it in the SIDE OF THE ARK OF THE COVENANT of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against you.

    2 KINGS 23:2 [2], And the king went up into the house of the LORD, and all the men of Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem with him, and the priests, and the prophets, and all the people, both small and great: and HE READ IN THEIR EARS ALL THE WORDS OF THE BOOK OF THE COVENANT which was found in the house of the LORD.

    2 KINGS 23:3 [3], And the king stood by a pillar, and made a covenant before the LORD, to walk after the LORD, and to keep his commandments and his testimonies and his statutes with all their heart and all their soul, TO PERFORM THE WORDS OF THIS COVENANT THAT WERE WRITTEN IN THIS BOOK. And all the people stood to the covenant.

    2 KINGS 23:21 [21], And the king commanded all the people, saying, KEEP THE PASSOVER OF THE LORD your God, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THIS COVENANT.

    .............

    Continuing..

    [8], Above when he said, SACRIFICES AND OFFERINGS AND BURNT OFFERINGS AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DESIRED NOT, neither had pleasure in them; WHICH ARE OFFERED BY THE LAW;

    NOTE: We are talking about the BOOK of the LAW *DEUTERONOMY 31:26 not God's 10 COMMANDMENTS in this chapter as again outlined in HEBREWS 10:7-8 above

    [9], Then said he, LO I COME TO DO YOUR WILL O GOD. HE TAKES AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MIGHT ESTABLISH THE SECOND .

    NOTE: NEW COVENANT NO MORE ANIMAL SACRIFICES from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE LAW

    [10], By the which will we are sanctified through THE OFFERING OF THE BODY OF JESUS ONCE AND FOR ALL.
    [11], And every priest stands daily ministering and offering frequently the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
    [12], BUT THIS MAN, AFTER HE HAD OFFERED ONE SACRIFICE FOR SINS FOREVER, sat down on the right hand of God;
    [13], From then on waiting till his enemies be made his footstool.
    [14], For by one offering he has perfected forever them that are sanctified.
    [15], The Holy Spirit also is a witness to us: for after this he had said before,
    [16], THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THEM AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD, I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR HEARTS AND MINDS WILL I WRITE THEM;
    [17], And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
    [18], Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
    [19], Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,

    NOTE: The NEW COVENANT is NO MORE SHADOW LAWS and animal sacrifices from the MOSAIC BOOK OF THE COVENANT (Exodus 24:7) God's LAW is to be written in a NEW HEART TO LOVE * ROMANS 13:8-10.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  20. ToBeLoved

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    I’m sorry and do not mean to be rude, but instead of making your point you are creating long, long posts on so many diverse topics that are so hard to understand.

    Sometimes a person can over complicate a topic with too much.

    I do appreciate all the time you spent, but I’m seeking a very simple answer here that I’m just not getting.

    I do find it a little problematic your saying I should read the Bible more because just because you can list a long list of scripture does not mean you know your Bible.

    Please do not be insulting.
     
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